Windows Vista SP1 RTMs - But ...

Windows Vista SP1 RTMs - But ...

Don't you hate those buts?  Besides the fact that it won't release to download or Windows Update for six weeks, that old bugaboo for Vista strikes again.  Yep, device drivers.

As we update our customers to SP1, we want everyone to have a great install experience.  We are going to stage our rollout of SP1 for current Windows Vista users to be approximately concurrent with the availability of Windows Vista SP1 on new PCs and in stores.  There are a couple of reasons for this.  Our beta testing identified an issue with a small set of device drivers.  These drivers do not follow our guidelines for driver installation and as a result, some beta participants who were using Windows Vista and updated to Service Pack 1 reported issues with these devices.  Because the issue was with the way the drivers were installed and not the drivers themselves, the solution was simply to reinstall the drivers.  While this worked fine for our more technical beta testers, we want to deliver a better experience for customers as we make the update broadly available.

While we know that most customers who update from Windows Vista to SP1 will NOT be affected, our approach is to improve the experience for all our customers.  To do this, we will begin making SP1 available through Windows Update in mid-March, giving us time to work with some of our hardware partners to make adjustments to the installation process for the affected drivers.  As SP1 gets delivered through Windows Update, we will only offer it to PCs that we detect don't have any of the affected device drivers installed.  We're taking the next month or so to continue our work of identifying as many of these devices as possible.

Ugh.  The way it's going to roll-out, with PCs unable to upgrade to SP1 until a device driver update is delivered to their PC - also via Windows Update - is going to be a) confusing, b) frustrating. Thanks for yet another super Windows Vista experience, Microsoft!

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Where the heck is XP SP3 at?  Why is MS pouring money into a defunct OS that is totally worthless.  Vista is the new ME and it is so apparent.  I dont see why MS doesnt invest time in their most popular and populous OS and keep their current customers happy instead of trying to force them to some POS.   

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How long did you use Vista before labeling it "Worthless" ? Vista isnt remotely the same as ME which was an ADD on basically to win98. There is a lot of kernel work inside vista and the way it works that is beyond what you see and while it isnt perfect will keep getting better. I been around long enough to have heard this song and dance for every windows release. Begining with 95, 98, 2000, and even XP and I am sure in 2011 when the next version releases I will hear it again.

Microsoft gets a lot of blame for everything even things not their fault such as device drivers, which are usually the main problem with Vista.  Why Am I saying all this ? I'm tired of hearing it. Especially from people who most probably havent used Vista but feel the need to bash Microsoft because its the cool thing to do these days..

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As a computer tech that has to service over 200 computers on the job site, and countless others with my own customers, i have used vista for quite a while and it is the most horrific pain in the *** OS i have ever worked with. Vista is ME, cause 98 was a great OS for its time, and there was nothing but problems with ME when it came out, and it didnt offer hardly anything over 98 at the time. Vista is the exact same thing, besides DX10 less support for hardware and software, and a fancy shmancy interface, it doesnt offer a reason to upgrade over XP.

So what if the vista kernal works different, it should its a different OS, and in every revision of any OS, there are kernal fixes and revisions so yeah there is kernal work involved anytime an OS is modified. My point is for a multibillion dollar company to spend 5+ years working on an OS and Vista is the best they could do, come on. Over half of the good things that were going to be in vista got scrapped so they could actually bring the OS out cause they screwed around.

If you are tired of hearing people bash microsoft, then maybe microsoft should get their act together and produce something that isnt just a stinking upgrade. And for the record dont try to insinuate that i dont know what the heck im talking about, when you dont know what i do for a living, what i study, and anything really about me. With the first amendment i have the right to free speech, so if i want to complain i can. You are dangerously close to crossing the line by insinuating that i dont use vista, or havnt used it so i cant possibly know what im talking about, but just saying things.

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Hi All,

With my upcoming build I have to confess I'm leaning towards 64Bit XP. The reason for this that MIS Techs at the Precint that I work out of echoed pretty much everything Drago said. I'd like to hear from Folk who have Vista & are having a Positive experience with it. As it stands right now DX10 hasn't really shown me anything that DX9 can't do.

If I may say so, I believe Microsoft made a serious mistake tying DX10 to Vista. The Game developers aren't going to make any DX10 Exclusive titles for fear of alienating the majority of Gamers who have XP. Only Microsoft would be willing to release a DX10 only game.

 

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Drago:
fancy shmancy interface

Beryl pwns Aero in that regard!

Check out this YouTube video & judge for yourself!!!

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 Hi All,

I have to agree with you Recovering Beryl wins hands down. 

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oops hit the post button twice... where the heck did the delete button go?

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ya drago i do not envy your situation at all for a larger scale operation with multiple types of computers with mutliple levels of hardware i can only imagine the headache that vista is for you.  but for the consumer with a computer thats up to snuff ( dual/quad core 2gb-4gb of ram newer motherboard etc.) there shouldn't be any problems with vista.

as to my previous comment about sp1 having performance increases i can't find the site that did the testing that i remember and most of what i can currently find is either full of shoddy testing or just using old versions (some had 11% increases, one had 9, one had 4, found one with -3% they were all over the damn place)

but heres what microsoft said is being improved http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsvista/en/library/417467e7-7845-46d4-85f1-dd471fbc0de91033.mspx?mfr=true

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Hey Drago,

I can't argue with your experiences, but I will talk about mine. I have the opposite opinion of Vista now that I've been using it for almost a year now exclusively on my personal machines, and on all of my test machines.

For MANY users, who are locked into using certain applications, or maybe have older hardware, or aren't as diligent about keeping drivers up to date, I can see them having issues and disliking the OS. From my standpoint as a power user, I didn't really have to deal with that. I went from XP Pro 32-Bit to Vista Ultimate 64-Bit on my personal rig, and before I took the plunge I updated all of my BIOS and firmware, downloaded the latest versions of all my apps that I use daily, got the latest drivers for everything I owned, and went for it. On my personal rig (and my wife's laptop and desktop machines actually) I haven't had a single "Blame MS" type issue. It's been since May of last year and all three machines have been running great, and definitely seem faster now than when I first installed the OSes - thanks to regular OS and driver updates.

With XP, and the way I abuse my machines, there was no way I could go almost a year and not feel the need to restore a backup or even reformat and reinstall the OS. In my experience, Vista is DEFINITELY more secure - I haven't had to clean any malware from any of my machines. It is more stable as well - I have had applications crash, but they have never brought down the OS. There is let "bit rot" with Vista (hence the lack of reinstallations). I like the interface better (Dreamscene is REALLY cool), I find may gadgets quite useful, the Game management tools are cool, for me, there's a lot to like. What can I say.

Once SP1 hits and the initial round of horror stories subside, and the first round of post-SP1 driver updates hit, I predict MANY users that make the switch will have a good experience, and some of the negative press will stop. Vista most certainly is not Windown ME.

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I hadn't heard of Dreamscene until you mentioned it just now, but checked out a vid on YouTube and must say that it is indeed really cool!!!

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beyond the fact that it uses more resources (duh) and trying to do large scale mixed OS networks there aren't a lot of complaints using vista anymore and with the improved performance with sp1 i don't understand what everyone is griping about anymore.

 le sigh

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"with the improved performance with sp1 i don't understand what everyone is griping about anymore."

As far as I know.. SP1 had shown to decrease the Vista Performance even more...

So I wouldn't be to confident on that statement...

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Yeah, I haven't heard anything about testers experiencing improved performance at all with Vista SP1. If you have, please share where.

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hrm i've heard 10-15% from a few sources i'll see if i can dig them back up

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You can't use the pre-release service packs for performance data because there are debugging tools active that consume resources, the code isn't fully optimized, and there are inevitable driver issues. Once SP1 officially hits, along with the next round of driver update, Vista is going to be much more attractive from a performance, stability, and compatibility standpoint.

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Is running great on my laptop. Fast, stable, unlike Vista SP-1.It appears the problems are more severe than reported. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=993&tag=nl.e589

Folks Microsoft is not listening to any of us and as proof there is the report that OS 7 will run on top of Vista kind of like Vista SP-2.

As long as XP stays around I use it, but I am forced to learn about Linux going forward. Hasta la Vista Microsoft.

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