
What we are going to talk about is Google's design vision for Chromium, the unique benefits it offers, and a bit of why Google is throwing its hat into this particular ring in the first place. Chromium, after all, is a Linux-based OS entering the smartbook/netbook market at a time when said product segment is already being served by a variety of Linux distros (some customized to the hardware, some not), XP, and Windows 7. In the midst of all these options, do we need another operating system?



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I look forward to giving it a test drive when it's ready for prime time. The concept is a good one but I think that most of us are deeply entrenched in the practice/concept that we have to store our stuff here at home. There is a whole lot of data here at home too. My at home storage capability totals almost 7 terabytes, and I am actually using 3.4 TB of it at this time. What would such data requirements cost to store on Google's servers? The idea of everything being on the web and not here, in our physical control, is gonna take some getting used to. Web based security for all of our files will be an issue for allot of us too. Almost every online entity has been hacked to some degree in the past and we know it. So people may never trust the 'Cloud' as much as home based mega-sized storage. I'm still interested in checking it out,,,,,,,,,,,maybe installed onto a little NetBook for use when I go on my road trips. |
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<edit> Nevermind, it appears I need more coffee prior to doing mental math at 2 in the afternoon... <sigh></edit> |
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This might appeal to users that generally wouldn't use Linux, because Google will simplify things even more than distros like Mandriva and Ubuntu already have. For people already using Linux: I really don't think there's much appeal to running this, vs. running a full Linux distro with Google's apps on top of it. The interesting question is, are they going to settle for this to be just another Linux distro, or are they going to address the real reason people stick with Windows over Linux: Where are the games? Are we supposed to only play web-based Flash and HTML5 games? For all my whining regarding Microsoft's locking in of developers with their proprietary DirectX APIs - it has been an extremely effective and foresighted defense for their monopoly. If Google seriously wants to dent MS's market share, they need to create their own superset package of OpenGL/OpenAL/SDL, smooth out all of the rough edges, and get the developers on board. And, if they could do it all in the Mono framework so that the same apps can run unchanged on Linux, under Windows, and even on other CPU architectures - all the better for user choice. |
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I agree that if Linux 'Gave Good Game', they would be 'In The Game' more. The Ubuntu And Linux Mint Gloria distributions that I've tried out are excellent replacements for Windows and have full capabilities, except for the kind of games that Windows excels at. Linux would take a huge bite out of Microsoft's bloated, expensive ass if it could run all of those games,........ |
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This is why I think the Wine project (and by extension CrossOver) is so important. And no, not just the one where I sit here and drink wine throughout my vacation. It's the one tech that allows Linux users to still run a lot of games and those few critical Windows apps that they just can't find a Linux equivalent (ex. DreamWeaver) for - or for which they need 100% compatibility (MS Office vs. OpenOffice). |
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So, just a browser is expected to: - Connect printers and other USB flash drives without any custom downloads - Access to the webcams - Import pictures from my camera - Import videos from the handycam - Burn DVDs with music/pictures etc - Make calls (speakers/microphone) - Access my mobile phone I see a long path before an average user can use Chrome, by which time the market for netbooks would be pretty much consolidated. My 2 cents. |
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Remember: ChromeOS is just Linux with a new Xserver/desktop environment: - Connect printers and other USB flash drives without any custom downloads In Linux, you can configure printers via the webbrowser - CUPS has a web interface. I've yet to see a USB flash drive that wasn't automatically recognized when connected. - Access to the webcams HTML5 supports this. Adobe Flash already does this inside the browser too. - Import pictures from my camera USB devices are recognized by the kernel. You can access them from the webbrowser as simple as uploading pics to Facebook. HTML5 also supports the concept of local storage. - Import videos from the handycam Same as above. - Burn DVDs with music/pictures etc Linux follows the Unix philosophy where there are many utilities that do one simple task well, and support piped interactions with everything else. Most CD recording software on Linux are just Qt/GTK GUIs that sit on top of the command line utilities mkisofs and cdrecord. A web interface could do the same thing. I'm literally talking an hour or two for a PHP hacker to get something working, if someone hasn't already written one already. BTW: most people see "command line utility" and think DOS. It's not like that at all: It's a true 64-bit recording engine. Abstracting the interface from the engines allows both to be developed and bug-fixed independently. I.e. a fix in cdrecord improves every single CD recording utility in Linux. Also, it's this abstraction and specialization of function that allows web interfaces and other new GUIs to be built so easily in the *nix world. - Make calls (speakers/microphone) HTML5 already supports this, as does Flash. - Access my mobile phone It's just a USB device... I plug my phone into my Linux box and it shows up as a drive automagically. With a driver specific for your device, you could even do address book synchronization, etc. |
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There's a USB sharing NDIS driver for windows that makes windows mobile internet connection sharing like built into windows mobile 6.x phones work in Linux. It does require a little command line work to get it working the first time. and SynCE is another option. |
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Google have said they see both ChromeOS and Android as "flanking technologies", meaning these are not intended to replace general purpose OSs outright. Neither ChromeOS nor litl's litlOS are in any sense general purpose at this time. The general purpose OSs like Windows and OSX will continue to be used for what they are good at, but these come with the usual maintenance and bloatware hassles for Joe User not to mention heavy resource use. When most people do their stuff on the web, a web-oriented OS is the way to go. The difference between ChromeOS and litlOS is that the latter is already on the market and is designed specifically as an appliance OS for the litl webbook - so we already know exactly what it is being be used for and in what ways it can grow. Litl is focused on making leisure use at home easier for all the family and on making the experience of streaming media and other content even better through litl channels. Since we have a remote update system that upgrades channels and software while you sleep, our software will continue to grow on our device without any intervention on the part of the user. |
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3vi1, Take the word "support," and add "Just as fast, just as reliably, and just as well." That's really the question here. And in reality, Chrome actually needs to do it *better* than the Windows alternative, because people will tend to go with Windows if they think "Alternative + Learning Curve = Effort. Chrome isn't "just Linux," unless Linux does its device interfacing and configuring in very different ways that I'm aware of. I don't claim to be an expert--maybe it does. You make it sound, however, as if Chrome was basically a GUI with some HTML5 support baked in. Were that the case, I think the project would've been a little simpler. :P |
That was my understanding of it. |
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...Chrome isn't "just Linux," unless Linux does its device interfacing and configuring in very different ways that I'm aware of. I don't claim to be an expert--maybe it does. You make it sound, however, as if Chrome was basically a GUI with some HTML5 support baked in.... A quick peek under the covers and through the image shows that it's the Linux 2.6.30 kernel, and uses the standard device drivers. Take a look at Chrome's USB device drivers.... evil@chrome:~/c3$ ll lib/modules/2.6.30-chromeos-intel-menlow/kernel/drivers/usb/host And here's what you would see on a slightly newer Ubuntu (Lucid Lynx) box: evil@mars:~$ ll /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ And Chrome puts it's pants on via init just like any other Linux: evil@chrome:~/c3$ cat etc/init.d/start_login.sh At the end of the day, it's another Linux distro with an minimalized/streamlined startup process and custom desktop. Nothing related to device interaction has been fundamentally changed. The Linux startup process has never been written in stone anyway, and can vary quite a bit from distro to distro. With projects like Upstart, it's just getting better all the time. The Ubuntu guys are targeting 10 seconds on a moderate system, and mine already boots in 13 - so I believe they'll get there. |
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>> One final bit of irony. Over ten years ago, Microsoft was sued for bundling a browser with Windows 98. Does it amuse anyone else that Google is bundling an operating system along with their browser? Untrue. Microsoft was sued for abusing their OS monopoly. They used the OS as leverage to bankrupt the browser companies, after the NetScape guys refused to sell the browser to MS. And they weren't just sued... they were losing the case so badly that they paid $750M to settle. It probably didn't help them that their internal memos went like this: "We are going to cut off their air supply. Everything they're selling, we're going to give away for free." -Paul Maritz, former Microsoft Vice President, referring to Netscape "It seems clear
that it will be very hard to increase browser market share on the
merits of IE 4 alone. It will be more important to leverage the OS
asset to make people use IE instead of Navigator." Google does not have a monopoly in the browser or OS market, therefore antitrust rules do not apply. The sad thing about it is that Microsoft's strategy worked: They pretty much killed Netscape and then... let IE stagnate. This was harmful to us as consumers. There was no browser innovation until Opera and Firefox came along. FireFox, being free and open source, couldn't be run out of business - so MS had to put together a new IE team to make a new browser. |