AMD A10 Kaveri Rumored To Ship With BF4, Faster Than Haswell Core i5 In Gaming - HotHardware
AMD A10 Kaveri Rumored To Ship With BF4, Faster Than Haswell Core i5 In Gaming

AMD A10 Kaveri Rumored To Ship With BF4, Faster Than Haswell Core i5 In Gaming

Rumors continue to spill out into the Internet ahead of AMD's next-generation Kaveri launch regarding the CPU's overall performance, capabilities, and architecture. It appears AMD is upping the ante with this CPU in several ways, including a gaming bundle that will include Battlefield 4 with the highest-end A10 APUs. This deal, however, may come with a higher price tag.

The new leaked prices on AMD's A10-7850K and A10-7700K point to a $189 - $167 debut price. The current top-end core from AMD is the A10-6800K, which runs $139 retail. AMD is comparing its new APUs against Intel's Core i5-4670K, which currently retails for $239. The 4670K is a quad-core chip without Hyper-Threading, and its integrated GPU packs 20 Execution Units (EUs) with a maximum clock speed of 1.2GHz. The A10-7850K, in contrast, packs 512 GCN cores and a 720MHz clock speed.

According to AMD, the 7850K beats the 4670K by up to 40% in 3DMark Fire Strike and by 8% in PCMark 8. This implies that the 7850K's efficiency has improved a fair degree, at least in certain tests. The price tag, even with BF4, could be a sticking point (assuming it's accurate). At $189, AMD would be going head-to-head with its own eight-core FX-8350, which currently sells for $199. On the Intel side of things, it would price against the Intel Core i5-4430, a 2.8GHz (3.2GHz Turbo) processor with four cores, no HT, and a max graphics clock of just 1.1GHz.  



This will be a tricky slot to maintain without cutting the FX-8350's price. AMD is apparently betting that Mantle + Kaveri's GPU is strong enough to be worth equivalent pricing against more CPU cores. If Steamroller can hang with the slower Core i5-4430 on the CPU side of things, then AMD will come out ahead in the combined test. Much will depend on just how good the CPU core's improvements are -- with a top frequency of 4GHz, AMD can make up some ground against a 3.2GHz Intel chip.

I haven't hit the gaming argument much, because I think AMD's superior performance in this area is nearly a given. When Intel built Haswell, it opted to make the 40 EU GT3 graphics configuration a mobile-only part. That gives AMD room to capture additional performance even before Mantle is factored into the picture, and I think the company's chances of doing so are quite good.

Mantle's performance
, for those of you keeping track, remains a closely guarded secret. Battlefield 4 is supposed to offer support for the new standard this month, but there's no word on when that patch will drop. Assuming a modest 15-20% uplift for GCN APUs would almost certainly put AMD firmly in the lead over Intel in any supported title.
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Waiting for benchmarks

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This is messy. I am not sure the 8350 would need a price cut if its significantly better in the CPU side of things. It seems though that amd is getting into the range of gamers who buy discrete GPUs and want a good CPU to go with it, as their prices increase. yet their CPUs are still not that strong.

but who knows. Maybe the market for APUs is much more. I would not buy an APU when I know I want a discrete though. I would jsut ignore amd altogether

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I think it's way too early to speculate on pricing. Pricing can and often times does change right before launch.

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Dave_HH:

I think it's way too early to speculate on pricing

It's way too early to speculate at all. We need to see benches on this technology.  I'm not too wrapped up in it's graphics performance because I use discrete GPUs in my builds.

Also, I have read somewhere that benchmark software may not "look" at these things properly and will need to be modified? (not sure about this)

Once they're out, we'll know all of the answers that pertain to each one of us. The real advantage to APUs is that they have been affordable in the past. I hope that AMD doesn't overdo it's prices and take this away from themselves.

 

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Existing benchmark tools should be perfectly capable of testing APUs. Nothing new on that from I'm aware of.

I've got a good idea of where I expect Kaveri to fall on both CPU and GPU terms. AMD's forecasting has been very clear -- modest on CPU, more significant on GPU depending on Mantle.

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Yeah I want to get excited but I need to see the benchmarks first.

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Believe it when i see it.

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GO AMD!

Theiir FX chips are selling really well here in Australia.

In new titles the AMD system beats most of intels sub $700 cpus and when you overclock the FX it is so much quicker again!

I think its about time people stopped being like sheep and going to Intel because they are apparently "better" / "cooler" etc etc... All the latest i7's overclocked on water run very hot 60-80c... where's my FX8350 @ 4.9ghz only reaches high 40c.

I'm looking forward to MANTLE & HSA from AMD in 2014

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AMD doesn't have to be the fastest out there to please me. They just have to continue to offer up good performance for a lessor price. The two APU systems that I've had so far were exactly that.

There wasn't a ton of heat to have to mitigate, and even though they had decent GPU performance built into them, I used discrete graphics with them for even better frame rates. One was installed into an ASRock Mainboard and the other was in an ASUS.

It was easy to overclock them and they were stable once they were set up. They used less power than their counterparts too.

Just improve what you have already AMD, and I'll buy it.

APUs are a no brainer already. (a decision or choice that is very easy to make and requires very little thought) Please keep this in mind.

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Gary,

Unless you're running an open loop water cooler, I don't believe you. Go run Prime95's full torture test mode for 20 minutes, come back, and tell me what your CPU temps look like. Either your motherboard is misreporting, you aren't loading the chip, or you're using a custom water cooler -- probably with a chiller.

I've tested the FX-9590. That core can't run in the high 40s at full load with a 180mm closed-loop double-fan radiator attached in a custom-built rig. At 4.9GHz, you're radiating more than 250W directly off the CPU and I promise you, it gets hot.

The only alternative is that your motherboard BIOS doesn't report properly. That's possible -- the Gigabyte board that's certified for the FX-9590 doesn't.

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