NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480: GF100 Has Landed

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Performance Summary: NVIDIA has created a powerful GPU in the GF100, as our performance data of the new GeForce GTX 480 has shown. Generally speaking, versus the single-GPU powered Radeon HD 5870, the GeForce GTX 480 is on average roughly 5% - 10% faster, give or take a few percentage points depending on the test, which technically makes it the fastest single-GPU on the market (almost). The GeForce GTX 480 held had the largest lead in the DX11-based Unigine Heaven benchmark and in Tom Clany's H.A.W.X.  Unfortunately for NVIDIA, however, the Radeon HD 5870 is cheaper to produce, consumes less power, is quieter, and it costs about 25% less ($499 vs $399). And AMD also has the dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970 in its arsenal, which remains the fastest single-graphics card available for most current game titles.

The GeForce GTX 480's performance lead over the Radeon HD 5870 increase when paired up in a dual-GPU SLI configuration. With their current drivers, NVIDIA-power cards offered better performance scaling in multi-GPU configurations, which resulted in larger performance increases for the GeForce GTX 480.  With that in mind however, a dual-card Radeon HD 5970 quad-CrossFireX configuration was still fastest overall.

Depending on your perspective, today will either be considered a great victory or perhaps a crushing defeat for NVIDIA. On one hand, the company has produced was is undoubtedly the most powerful and complex graphics processor in the world. The 3-Billion transistor GF100 is a very capable chip, both in terms of gaming and in terms of compute performance and NVIDIA owns the single-GPU performance crown again. The GeForce GTX 480 is faster than the Radeon HD 5870 overall and its forward thinking design lays the foundation for future generations of NVIDIA processors moving forward, as the G80 did for much of the previous generation. On the other hand, the GeForce GTX 480 is late to market, the GPU consumes a lot of power and hence generates a lot of heat, even with "only" 480 of its 512 shader cores exposed, and its performance lead doesn't exactly jibe with its projected 25% price premium.


The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Reference Card

Although the company is announcing the cards tonight at the PAX event taking place in Boston, MA, widespread e-tail availability of both GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 cards, at prices of $499 and $349 respectively, won't happen until the week of April 12, 2010. Questions linger as to how many GF100-based graphics cards will ultimately hit store shelves, but NVIDIA tells us plenty are on the way. NVIDIA claims, "We are building 10s of thousands of units for initial availability, and this will ensure our partners have ample volume for what is the most anticipated GPU launch ever." If you're an NVIDIA fan and have been waiting for their next-gen GPU, your wait is almost over.

Having spent some quality time with the GeForce GTX 480, we can't help but expect the card, as we have shown it to you here today, will not be NVIDIA flagship for an extended period of time. The true potential of the Fermi architecture hasn't been fully realized just yet. We suspect a re-worked GF100 is on tap that will have all of its 512 cores available and hopefully hit higher clocks, with lower power consumption. We are only speculating at this point, of course, but we can't help but feel the GeForce GTX 480 isn't the card NVIDIA really wanted to launch to take on AMD's finest, and that its successor is priority #1 within the company. The GeForce GTX 480 is an extremely potent product, it's just not the game changer some may have expected.

  • Relatively Fast
  • DirectX 11 Support
  • PhysX + CUDA Support
  • Great SLI Scaling

 

  • High Power Consumption
  • Hot and Can Be Loud
  • Late To Market
  • Only Slightly Faster Than 5870, For Much More Money

 

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acarzt 4 years ago

And here I was just about to complain that it's Firday and no news on the GTX480 :-P

Joel H 4 years ago

Shouldn't "High Power Consumption" be labeled under "Hot"? ;)

 

*ducks*

canyon1985 4 years ago

I upgraded my gateway m685e workstation from vista to windows 7. Later, I downgraded the video card drivers downloaded from windows update to the vista compatible drivers on the nvidia website. Rumor is the vista compatible drivers were not powering the fan after a reboot resulting in many dead gpus. I am blind and have already lost an IT job for lack of a working laptop.

3vi1 4 years ago

[quote user="canyon1985"]

I upgraded my gateway m685e workstation from vista to windows 7. Later, I downgraded the video card drivers downloaded from windows update to the vista compatible drivers on the nvidia website. Rumor is the vista compatible drivers were not powering the fan after a reboot resulting in many dead gpus. I am blind and have already lost an IT job for lack of a working laptop.

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I'm not sure if there's an off-topic question in there or what, but if you updated/downgraded your drivers via Windows Update, then you never got the bad (196.75) drivers.

If what I read is true, Microsoft never had them available for download via Windows Update; you would have had to manually download them from nVidia to get them.

AKwyn 4 years ago

Meh, I can't believe that after all the hype. It's only marginally faster then an ATI card and it should of been $50 less for that kind of performance. I'm thinking this is part of a marketing scheme by NVIDIA for them to buy 2 cards and run them in SLI so they can get world class performance and more money, then again I might be crazy.

I'm also surprised by the fact that it makes more heat and consumes more power. I wonder what they thinking when they made the card, at least they could of done an Intel thing and made it more efficient so that it'd leapfrog over ATI just like the Core 2 Duo did with AMD's processors back in 2006.

And a card with 512 cores unlocked... I guess it's going to be 10-20 fps faster then the ATI cards released right now but damn are they going to need a cooler that can cool this card effectively.

I'm going to wait for the GeForce GTX 470 review until I make up my mind but I think NVIDIA has a GeForce FX on it's hands.

recoveringknowitall 4 years ago

I'm pretty surprised with the results... IMHO GTX 480 is meh and I'm gonna buy Ati this time.

acarzt 4 years ago

I think it is lacking in some areas due to drivers. It's a brand new peice of hardware.

Comparing it the the previous Gen of Nvidia cards, it's hugely impressive. A single chip GTX480 is faster than a Dual Chip GTX295. On top of that, in some bench marks it can nearly hang with the 5970. When paired in SLI it really shined.

While in Single card mode in the HAWX benchmark it was 20% faster than the 5870. Then in  Dual card mode it was 40-60% faster than a pair of 5870s. On top of that, a pair of 5970 is only 20% faster while having twice as many chips to work with.

More evidence of potential for driver optimization becomes apparant here as well since scaling from single card to dual picked up 90% at one resolution, but only 70% at the other. With some optimization Nvidia could squeeze out a few more frames.

When a dual chip Nvidia card comes out.... it'll be a beast.

Also, pay close attention to the Unigine Heaven benches as they can be a bit deceiving. While it looks like the 480 is only slightly faster than the 5870s, it is in actuallity nearly twice as fast. Add to that, that it was faster than the 5970.

I think for this card DX11 is where it's at. This thing will probably, kindly, hand the ATI card it's a$$ in DX11 games w/ Tessellation. And as we all know DX11 is the future. So I don't mind if it's not the best at DX10 as long as it's great at playing the games of the future :-)

Joel H 4 years ago

Acarzt,

I'll hit the rest of this in the morning, but I'm going to respond to one thing you wrote now. It's physically impossible for NVIDIA to build a dual-GPU GTX 480 on a 40nm process. Board power for the single-GPU flavor of the card is 250W. The maximum amount of power you can feed a PCI-Express card is 300W. NVIDIA isn't going to break the PCI-Express specification (they'd get no support from motherboard vendors, all of whom would have to specifically vet their motherboards against a non-standard component).

It's possible that these first parts are terrible examples of 40nm, so yes, NVIDIA could re-spin the silicon. Statistically, that won't happen for at least six months; NVIDIA's already respun it (and TSMC's yields aren't exactly fabulous even now).  Farther out, Fermi probably will go through a die shrink at some point in 2011 once 28nm tech is ramping, but that's a year away.

Sure, NV could opt to build a svelte mid-range dual-GPU, but that wouldn't be a dual GTX 480. It's very likely that we'll see NVIDIA roll a full 512-core Fermi and I think it's a good bet that they'll build a Fermi 2.0 on an improved 40nm die, but you can only rearchitect so much. If we look at the GTX 285 / GTX 295 as indicative, NV would need to pull the power consumption of a GTX 480 down by 50-60W to have enough room in the PCI-E spec to build a dualie. The only time you see leaps that massive on the same process, maybe, is if you compare A0 hardware to the mature, high-yield silicon you're building 1-2 years later.

rapid1 4 years ago

Joel that's a good point I did not even think of. While it would be a major difficulty on what you say, I think for the first thing if you run it in SLI it is not only pulling 500 Watt's so forget Tri-SLI. I would also totally flood the PCI-X bus on anything but whats on a 1366 chip socket board as well. Well maybe a 1366 and a AM3. I don't know if the AM3 even has enough bandwidth either though, not to mention $1500 for the video cards alone for either of these with Tri-SLI. Then you get to the PSU in standard SLI the cards would be pulling 500 watts, in Tri they'd be pulling 750 watts which you could get with nothing less than a server power block which would not fit in a standard case anyway (not to mention would probably be at least 500 more dollars. On top of that I doubt a PCI-X would even have the bandwidth available to actually run it, where with 2 5970's it is still fine (greatly because of the reduced energy pull and of course heat ramp).

acarzt 4 years ago

Well I never expected a dual GPU card based on the GTX480. That would be pretty awesome, but ridiculous to expect.

Even the GTX 295 isn't based off the 280. It's essentially 2 260s on 1 board. And with that it's a good bit faster than any other single card offering of it's Generation at Nvidia.

I was expecting a fermi equivilent to the 260 to be part of the dual gpu card. I would expect a 40-50% increase over the current single gpu 480. I don't think that would be unreasonable to expect :-)

I also don't expect this any time soon lol The GTX 295 didn't come out for some time after the GTX 280 was launched. If i'm remembering the time line correctly, I think it actuall even came out after the refresh of those cards.

realneil 4 years ago

So after all of this waiting with our breaths held in check, wondering about the magnificent surprises headed our way with these cards, they're a power hog bust? Ha! Ha-Ha!

Ha! Ha-Ha!

Ha! Ha-Ha!

Ha! Ha-Ha!

That's pretty rich, isn't it?

Marius Malek 4 years ago

[quote user="realneil"]

So after all of this waiting with our breaths held in check, wondering about the magnificent surprises headed our way with these cards, they're a power hog bust? Ha! Ha-Ha!

Ha! Ha-Ha!

Ha! Ha-Ha!

Ha! Ha-Ha!

That's pretty rich, isn't it?

[/quote]

I never held my breath because I expected a result like this. I just hope Nvidia gets their act together and really releases something that will blow us away. 

Don't get me wrong guys, what they released is still amazing by most standards. But by their standards, I would have to say it's sub par.

I will still have to back up ATI until Nvidia show its stripes again. 

But yes Neil, it's pretty rich =D

 

gibbersome 4 years ago

Overheating, more power draw than the 5970, noisy....this is what we were expecting, but like 3vi1, Bob and rapid1 mentioned, we were expecting a 20-40% performance jump over the 5870.

Yet we've seen all the manufacturers jump at the opportunity to supply the card into the system. I'll be curious to see the numbers, and where Nvidia goes from here.

RyuGTX 4 years ago

[quote user="gibbersome"]

Overheating, more power draw than the 5970, noisy....this is what we were expecting, but like 3vi1, Bob and rapid1 mentioned, we were expecting a 20-40% performance jump over the 5870.

Yet we've seen all the manufacturers jump at the opportunity to supply the card into the system. I'll be curious to see the numbers, and where Nvidia goes from here.

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Don't know why you guys would expect something like that. Has any card ever seen a 40% increase over the competitor? If it was that much, I'm sure Nvidia would have shown something near those numbers during their demos to get the hype going.

 

I wonder... They probably rushed this and when they benchmarked it, it was performing slightly (or maybe more) behind the 5870. So they just overclocked it themselves. Maybe? Maybe??? How does Nvidia and ATI decide on the stock clocks anyways?

 

Inspector 4 years ago

Yep most of us here agrees they rushed this and aren't getting what they planed for now. Maybe the next one will be much better and then we will see where nvidia is heading!

realneil 4 years ago

I just bought a 1GB XFX Radeon HD-5850 Black Edition Card for my Core i5-750 system. When I was considering what to get, I thought that maybe I should wait for the new NVIDIA cards to be released and continue to save some more cash towards one of them. I'm glad that I didn't wait.

I have DX11 capabilities and get good performance from the ATI branded card. Buying it didn't break the bank either. Of course this has been the way of it for a few years anyway, has it not?

NVIDIA is probably scratching their heads and wondering just WTF's happening right now, as they should be,.........

 

gibbersome 4 years ago

It was because of this little graph they released around 4 months ago....

[View:http://hothardware.com/cs/members/gibbersome/files/nvidia_5F00_fermi_5F00_slide_5F00_06a.jpg.aspx]

We were promised something spectacular...the hype was a let down.

Marius Malek 4 years ago

Well, I'm glad I didn't have to learn my lesson this go around. I was very excited about the GF100's. But now look, my allegiance has respectively turned to ATI. 

I will give Nvidia another chance, but I will forever be skeptical. 

RyuGTX 4 years ago

Thanks for the link. In some of the games, the GTX 480 performs well; most of the games I care about too. But on average, I guess they are pretty close. Almost makes me want to go with that setup rather than a GTX 480 or even a 5870. Just Crossfire 5770 or 5830 if you can find a good deal (like mail-in rebates). Interesting....

 

[quote user="gibbersome"]

It was because of this little graph they released around 4 months ago....

[View:http://hothardware.com/cs/members/gibbersome/files/nvidia_5F00_fermi_5F00_slide_5F00_06a.jpg.aspx]

We were promised something spectacular...the hype was a let down.

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As far as the graph goes, you got that performance. Almost 50% in HH's review in the Heaven benchmark. Maybe if a game came out that made heavy use of DX11, you might see a gap like that. Who knows, we'll just have to wait for that game. Crysis 2?

 

realneil 4 years ago

[quote user="RyuGTX"]Thanks for the link[/quote]

You're welcome.

Here's one where they review the card and even overclock it a little during the testing.

They seem to like it's performance results. Confused

InfinityzeN 4 years ago

That review is almost laughable in some ways realneil.  The GTX 295 beat the GTX 480 (including their OC results) in every test.  Not to meantion that they list power consumption as a Pro.  Seriously?!  We are talking about a card that pulls more than Cross Fire configrations and runs hot enough to cook the rest of your computer.

realneil 4 years ago

[quote user="InfinityzeN"]The GTX 295 beat the GTX 480[/quote]

I thought that the GTX 295 is a dual graphics processor?

If so, then why wouldn't it beat a single?

The dual Radeon beat it too,..........Anyway, I'm not promoting this card at all. I think it's price/performance figures are way off of what we all expected.

My 2GB EVGA GTX-285 is working wonderfully, and the 1GB XFX Radeon HD5850 is too. As I said in an earlier post, I'll probably just get another 5850 and run crossfire while waiting for the next 'Holy-Grail' to be released. This one doesn't do it for me.

recoveringknowitall 4 years ago

I wonder how the folks over at the green camp are reacting to all the mixed reactions their new baby is getting. Seems to me that negative or at the very least, unenthusiastic reactions outweigh positive ones. Is it possible that Nvidia knows exactly what they're doing and has some sort of sinister marketing plan?! lol

bob_on_the_cob 4 years ago

[quote user="recoveringknowitall"]

I wonder how the folks over at the green camp are reacting to all the mixed reactions their new baby is getting. Seems to me that negative or at the very least, unenthusiastic reactions outweigh positive ones. Is it possible that Nvidia knows exactly what they're doing and has some sort of sinister marketing plan?! lol

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I don't think so. I think they just had a lot of issues with manufacturing and are playing catch up. 

Also Hardocp reviews graphics cards weird. I personally am not a fan of their reviews. My motherboard (Intel Bonetrail 2) they gave a really bad review and gave another review of a gigabyte board with the exact same issues a great review. The bonetrail board even did better in overclocking, but they praised the gigabyte board on overclocking and slammed the intel board for its poor overclocking. Same priced boards. When people started saying this not even in a bad way, just pointed it out, they started deleting the posts and banning people. We all caught up in the eXtremesystems forums about it.  The only reviews I trust from them are PSU reviews. Kyle is a cool dude and I have talked to him a few times, but he is hot headed and I find the site hard to trust.

realneil 4 years ago

[quote user="bob_on_the_cob"]he is hot headed and I find the site hard to trust[/quote]

I just found the review whilst looking around on the net. I don't have much experience with them either. I used to swear by Tom's Hardware reviews, but they got a major slant to their site and I stopped going there. I usually 'Google' a new part's name and read the review sites that pop up.

I found a few reviews about my Intel DP55KG board that knocked it around and said it had lackluster performance. In real life, this is just not true. I read a few reviews about my EVGA GTX-285 being a card with problems,.....not true in my case. It's wonderful to game with.

If I see allot of negative reviews about a certain part, then I'll shy away from it. Allot of great reviews mean that I'll consider it for myself if I'm in the market.

The reviews concerning this new GTX480 aren't bad, but they aren't so great either.

gibbersome 4 years ago

[quote user="recoveringknowitall"]

I wonder how the folks over at the green camp are reacting to all the mixed reactions their new baby is getting. Seems to me that negative or at the very least, unenthusiastic reactions outweigh positive ones. Is it possible that Nvidia knows exactly what they're doing and has some sort of sinister marketing plan?! lol

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Their marketing department has some work to do, that's for sure. The reception has been mixed, mostly tepid. Certainly not the "bang" that ATI produced 7 months ago.

This card blows a lot of heat, I don't know how it's going to work out as a mobile solution.

 

[quote user="bob_on_the_cob"]

I don't think so. I think they just had a lot of issues with manufacturing and are playing catch up. 

Also Hardocp reviews graphics cards weird. I personally am not a fan of their reviews. My motherboard (Intel Bonetrail 2) they gave a really bad review and gave another review of a gigabyte board with the exact same issues a great review. The bonetrail board even did better in overclocking, but they praised the gigabyte board on overclocking and slammed the intel board for its poor overclocking. Same priced boards. When people started saying this not even in a bad way, just pointed it out, they started deleting the posts and banning people. We all caught up in the eXtremesystems forums about it.  The only reviews I trust from them are PSU reviews. Kyle is a cool dude and I have talked to him a few times, but he is hot headed and I find the site hard to trust.

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HardOCP: -> Negative "Overall, GF100 hasn’t exactly delivered. I think we were all hoping it would provide a substantial gameplay improvement over the Radeon HD 5870 and Radeon HD 5850."

AnandTech: -> Neutral "Bigger than price though is the tradeoff for going with the GTX 480 and its much bigger GPU – it’s hotter, it’s noisier, and it’s more power hungry, all for 10-15% more performance"

OverclockersClub: -> Positive "All things considered, NVIDIA stepped up to the plate (albeit rather late) and delivered gaming performance with visual quality."

Guru3D: -> Positive "The performance is grand and impressive and well, it's just a sick card to play all modern games with at any resolution or image quality preference."

TechSpot: -> Negative "The GeForce GTX 480 is fast but given the extra time Nvidia had to work on the card and tweak it to perfection, we would have at least expected to do without the heat/power compromises."

HardwareCanucks: -> Neutral "The GTX 480 isn’t necessarily a resounding success but we consider it to be a good stepping stone towards some much needed competition in the DX11 marketplace"

InfinityzeN 4 years ago

The GTX 295 is a dual card yes.  That cost in the same price range ($500~600) and has close to the same power envelope/heat.

The fact that the GTX 295 is a dual does not matter except for saying you have the fastest "Video Chip".  People don't buy video chips, they buy video cards.  When your top of the line from the last generation cost about as much as your newest top of the line, while performing faster, that is not a good thing.

Due to its high heat and power requirements, I do not see a 400 series dual card coming out until the respin.  That will be sometime around the end of the year most likely.  Granted, their 512 card will be a little faster then the GTX 480 (We are still only talking about a 6.67% increase in processing and memory bandwidth though).

I personally have a GTX 285 in my rig as well.  It has been a rock solid and dependable card.  However, with all the trade-offs I do not see myself putting a 400 series card into my rig.  After all, it is micro atx.

gibbersome 4 years ago

The GTX480 scales better than the ATI 5000 series. It overclocks on par with the ATI 5870 series as well, giving around a 5-7% performance boost in most cases. But again there's the heat, noise and power issues to deal with, especially if you're planning a multi-GPU config...not to mention the price tag. Two GTX480's will run you $1,000.

It's important to keep in mind that the GTX480 has a lot of hardware tessellation power that is largely untapped in most of the benchmarks. Before any games come out that can take advantage of this, we'll see fully functional GF100 cards with much better performance, heat dissipation and factory OCs.

Again, my suggestion is save your money and wait till Nvidia works out the kinks in the GTX400 series.

Oh and the GTX470...performs close to the ATI 5850, but the additional heat, noise, power and price make it largely irrelevant. You can get a 5870 for a few bucks more.

acarzt 4 years ago

Gibbersome.

That graph was actually relatively accurate. For that test.

Even in that video that was released a while back of that demo, showed the ATI card and the Nvidia card, neck and neck until tessellation kicked in and that's when the fermi card dominated. And if you don't consider double the fps a domination than I don't know what would.

Like I said though this card seems to be pretty great with DX11. I'd like to see more DX11 benchs..... but of course... there's really very few games out there for DX11.

rapid1 4 years ago

I have the benchmarks in my account on DX11 with normal Tesselation as well as all other options on the system I won (5870) in my account files "Benchmark's". It is all at stock speeds "Normal" with all options on at 4X. I had bought a 5850 (the only real upgrade it had) for my previous system and am going to Crossfire the 5870 w/the 5850 and try to up and down clock them to be the same speeds as I have heard that the difference in speeds causes some difficulties. I also am hoping this will also help with heat issues of running crossfire we will see where it goes. I may have to add the 60mm x2 optional fans which run directly next to the cards and above the PSU cage!

in_sOmniac 4 years ago

realneil 4 years ago

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Funny as can be! LOL!

Thanks for sharing that.

bob_on_the_cob 4 years ago

THAT IS THE BEST POST EVER!

3vi1 4 years ago

HILARIOUS, In_somniac!

Inspector 4 years ago

Im cooking myself a hamburger with bacon :P lol, But hey it saves you the money on extra gas/energy and a pan/stove Wink

Inspector 4 years ago

acarzt, its now time to complain why isn't this as super as the hype made it??? :) lol. Its nice but we were expecting better of them :(...

animatortom 4 years ago

Yeah!........1600Core processors!!

Oh, Wait...What? Its Nvidia :(

Only 512 cores. Also a big card with a minuscule fan?

As you can tell This Fan is still one of ATI's :)

Like I have said before, it is going to take a while for the software to catch up to these cards to these multi-core GPU's. The big thing is the DX11 support. that is the main reason for upgrading a card!

AKwyn 4 years ago

[quote user="animatortom"]

Yeah!........1600Core processors!!

Oh, Wait...What? Its Nvidia :(

Only 512 cores. Also a big card with a minuscule fan?

As you can tell This Fan is still one of ATI's :)

Like I have said before, it is going to take a while for the software to catch up to these cards to these multi-core GPU's. The big thing is the DX11 support. that is the main reason for upgrading a card!

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It's 480 cores animatortom. The 512 cores aren't fully enabled yet. And the software is catching up at a faster pace then you predicted. The only problem is that it's only marginally faster then the ATI cards. The only time where it outperforms the ATI Radeon HD 5870 is in SLI mode, and the price does not justify the marginal performance increase.

animatortom 4 years ago
Either one Nvidia or ATI, You can paint a Yugo Ferrari red. It still doesn't make it a Ferrari :)
Much like WS cards the ones that have the best OpenGL is the latest one needed for the current software, much like DX11. With each iteration, about the only difference is the doubling of the memory.
My theory is, when it comes to GPU's, Give it time and in another few months they will be rolling out something that is twice as powerful at the same price. Then the die hard fanboys on either side will try them out, then if you look at the complaints. You will get a better idea of the cards short comings :)
Marius Malek 4 years ago

[quote]To show off the capabilities of GF100, NVIDIA has created a number of interesting demos. As many of you know, properly rendering and animating realistic hair is a difficult task.[/quote]

Tell me about it. My OCD has been cringing from this for years now. I see a character's head move, and it's like their hair is a lego piece that has been capped on top of their head. It doesn't move and it irritates the crap out of me. The pictures that nvidia released from the demo looks incredibly realistic, which of course is thanks to the proper lighting. 

[quote]Another demo NVIDIA created to illustrate tessellation with the GF100 is aptly dubbed the Water Demo. As you can see in the screenshots above, the water demo takes a scene with relatively basic geometry, and through increased tessellation and displacement mapping the detail in the rocks and water is dramatically increased. [/quote]

Water has been the hardest object to master for so long now, at least for consumer priced products like video games. 

[quote]The demo does not use realistic fluid dynamics, but the effect was nonetheless still very good.[/quote]

That's a bummer. I can't tell you how many times games have made water look like soggy gelatin. Still impressive though. 

[quote]In addition to offering much more compute performance and geometry processing than previous generations, the GF100 also features new anti-aliasing modes.[/quote]

This is probably why the card spikes at 105C. I was looking at the Age of Conan references you attached to the article. It's quite a difference, even though that close up the image of grass is still pixelated, I'm sure that us gamers aren't going to critique the grass on a microscopic scale. 

I'm finally glad to see that Nvidia is pushing their "The Way It's Mean't to Be Played" slogan. I haven't experienced a renaissance in PhysX optimization in really any game that I've been able to play. But their incorporation of APEX was really impressive. I expect to see a lot more of capes flapping in the wind much like Arkham Asylum. I want real time hair movements too. I'm a picky gamer haha. Seriously though, the more realistic a game is for me, the more engrossed I get into it. 

[quote]"Computational GPU" is short-hand for "a whole lot of number crunching".[/quote]

I take it this means that the card will kick some ass. 

So I was looking at the charts. The GTX 480 barely passes the 5970 in Extreme Tessellation, even in both single and multi GPU set ups. However, it fails miserably at 3D MarkVantage. 

But, thinking more on the subject, we have to remember that the 5970 is made up of TWO 1 GB GPU's.

What's interesting though is the Quake Wars test. The fact that Crossfire 5970's only have about a 25% increase in performance than SLI GTX 480's is pretty substantial. That's 2 cards vs. 4 cards and the 4 cards have a slight head margin.

One thing I keep seeing though is the comparison between the GTX 480 and the GTX 280 and 295 models. The is an increase in performance, but nothing ground breaking in my opinion. It might have something to do with Crysis being optimized for Dx10.

However I noticed that the GTX 480 shinned brightly through the Far Cry 2 test. At Ultra Quality and 4x AA at 1920x1200 it only falls behind the 5970 by 10 FPS and only 6 in their multi GPU set up. 

Regarding L4D2, I just LOVE how every card just pushes through and dominates haha. 

Now, about that power consumption. HOLY CRAP. It's amazing how much juice this card needs in order to throw its weight around. 

[quote] At 438 watts under load, the GeForce GTX 480 consumed almost 40 more watts than the dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970, despite offering lower performance. With regard to power efficiency, it is obvious, the GF100 GPU is significantly less efficient than the Radeon HD 5870.[/quote]

Yea seriously, Nvidia needs to rethink their strategy, people can afford their cards..but they will most likely foreclose on their homes because of the power bill. 

[quote]Having spent some quality time with the GeForce GTX 480, we can't help but expect the card, as we have shown it to you here today, will not be NVIDIA flagship for an extended period of time. The true potential of the Fermi architecture hasn't been fully realized just yet.[/quote]

You see this is what depresses me. People are going to go out and buy this card and then Nvidia will release something that's actually ground breaking. I think they did this, just so they could get a margin of their market share back. 

Right now the GTX 480 is Nvidia Flagship card, but like you said in your conclusion, it won't be for long. I don't think this is what Nvidia wanted either, and I hope they can roll out something eye boggling and mind numbing very soon. 

 

My conclusion? This card isn't worth the trouble despite the beautiful things that it can do. Save your money, wait one month, and I can promise you that ATI will drop the price tag on their cards by a few bucks. And you can end up getting more bang for your buck. That is at least until Nvidia finally get's their stuff together. But don't get me wrong, this card is still a monster, and it should be respected as so. 

 

bob_on_the_cob 4 years ago

All I have to say is Meh. Pretty underwhelming.

rapid1 4 years ago

I agree bob seems pretty underwhelming to me to. When I saw the email notification of the post I was excited to. Oh well it's pretty close to what I expected especially seeing as ATI will probably release another card in3-4 months. Then on top of that the pricing as I can almost guarantee you ATI is going to price drop a bit more, probably across the board. Give it a month if we see any major action market wise they will. I don't know though this may be hardcore fanboys only to, in which case there won't be much market movement.

I guess it's just wait and see, I will say one thing for sure though if Nvidia does not see some decent roll over on this GPU I think its going to hurt. They have been working on it for quite some time with ATI taking most of the pie on the GPU end money wise. So they have been putting money in R&D for what over a year now with no return, not to mention ATI has also been gaining market share which is more dangerous than straight money in many cases I think.

Der Meister 4 years ago

its a nice looking card a performs well, though it was not what I was expecting. None the less I would still trade my 2 275's for one of them. 

Joel H 4 years ago

Der Meister,

Two GTX 275s are faster than a single GTX 295. I'd be surprised if you're missing much.

Der Meister 4 years ago

[quote user="Joel H"]

Der Meister,

Two GTX 275s are faster than a single GTX 295. I'd be surprised if you're missing much.

[/quote]

I wouldn't get much if any performance increase but I would get less power usage and Dx11. Im still tossing the idea around still

RyuGTX 4 years ago

I expected most of this. I didn't figure anything so amazing in the benchmarks.

The benchmark that I did like to see was the Unigine Heaven. I'm not sure how accurate/representative it is of real-world gaming because we don't currently have a game on hand that makes much use of DX11, but I would think that as we see more game titles, it might be somewhat representative. If that is the case, then this card is ahead of its time.

 

I was more interested in seeing the GTX 470 performance. Given the price, it would probably be something like 5% better than the 5850. I wonder how much the GTX 470 can be overclocked and how close it can come to the 5870 (stock).

3vi1 4 years ago

Gotta agree with Bob and Rapid1: we were led to believe that this would be a lot more than what we're seeing now.

It looks like we were right when we guessed why nVidia was doing the marketing blitz of Fermi info after ATI took the lead - ATI *really* leapfrogged them on this gen and they were over four months away from bringing performance back into parity.  If people had not been promised more last September, and Huang not shown the fake Fermi board (making people think its release was imminent), ATI would have had a better X-mas.

ATi's hardware's probably going to get cheaper now, and they just released OpenGL 4.0 compatible drivers for Linux (which of course nVidia has still to do - lacking hardware that can support the feature set)...  so I'm getting more and more tempted to give them a shot again.

mentaldisorder 4 years ago

I knew Marco was up to something!  Am I the only one that things the gfx card looks like a futuristic hot rod?

animatortom 4 years ago
"I knew Marco was up to something!  Am I the only one that things the gfx card looks like a futuristic hot rod?"
Yeah Mentaldisorder,  I think your the only one :) LOL
I think these things look alot more like the ATI 5K Cards?! The one that really looked like a hot rod was that MSI 5850 we reviewed a couple days ago. That thing looked like a couple big radiators with the headers coming down the sides.
bob_on_the_cob 4 years ago

[quote user="mentaldisorder"]

I knew Marco was up to something!  Am I the only one that things the gfx card looks like a futuristic hot rod?

[/quote]

I've got to start watching him in steam. If I see him open a bunch of games in one night I'll know he is up to something. Stick out tongue

3vi1 4 years ago

@mental:

>> Am I the only one that things the gfx card looks like a futuristic hot rod?

Nope. Here's what I saw when I first looked at the pic (with apologies to Acarzt).

sp12 4 years ago

I wouldn't buy, ATI cards are being priced gauged, and I see no reason for retailers to drop prices, ATI has the highest performance/price ratio, and the fastest single card.

They have minimal pressure coming from Fermi on their 5870, and the 470 is basically inferior/hotter/more costly than the 5850.

bob_on_the_cob 4 years ago

The ATI linux drivers have made leaps and bounds in the last few years 3vi1. Getting a multi monitor set up with ATI and linux used to be a huge pain. I would have to write the xorg.conf file myself. Now it is easier than Nvidia.

3vi1 4 years ago

VERY interesting, Bob! I did have a multi-monitor Linux setup with my ATi 9600XT years ago, but that's the last ATi card I purchased. As per your experience, I had to edit the XF86Config file (it was pre-XOrg, in my case). ATI's Linux driver's *really* sucked when I first went to Linux on that system, but I saw them improve quite a bit over it's lifetime.

I hear the open source ATI drivers are actually progressing well too. They might not be very good for 3D gaming, but at least, they're further along than the Nouveau drivers.

InfinityzeN 4 years ago

They didn't list it on this site, but the Radeon 5770 in Crossfire (@ $320~340) actually matches or beats this new Nvidia card in every category.

I find myself... underwhelmed.

rapid1 4 years ago

Also the quote by Infinity sums it all up quite nicely

"They didn't list it on this site, but the Radeon 5770 in Crossfire (@ $320~340) actually matches or beats this new Nvidia card in every category.

I find myself... underwhelmed."

RyuGTX 4 years ago

[quote user="InfinityzeN"]

They didn't list it on this site, but the Radeon 5770 in Crossfire (@ $320~340) actually matches or beats this new Nvidia card in every category.

I find myself... underwhelmed.

[/quote]

 

Do you have a link to support that? I'm curious because like we saw in the review, Crossfire scaling wasn't that great. I figured 5770 in Crossfire would be around the performance of a 5850. Maybe better, but not near the performance of a 5870, which is area the the GTX 480 is at.

 

InfinityzeN 4 years ago

[quote user="RyuGTX"]

Do you have a link to support that? I'm curious because like we saw in the review, Crossfire scaling wasn't that great. I figured 5770 in Crossfire would be around the performance of a 5850. Maybe better, but not near the performance of a 5870, which is area the the GTX 480 is at.[/quote]

That would be the Legion Hardware review of this card.  A few of the highlights... (writen as "Test" "GTX 480 results" "5770CF results" @ 1920x1200)

Futuremark Vantage:  10,673  /  10,034
Batman: 178 / 178
Battlefield BC2: 50 / 49
CoD MW2: 128 / 134
Company of Heroes OF: 138 / 117
Crysis: 60 / 37 (I will give it to the GTX 480, it runs Crysis really well)
Dawn of War II: 75 / 52
Farcry 2: 78 / 52
H.A.W.X.:  109 / 103
Resident Evil 5:  107 / 114
Stalker CoP:  88 / 88
World in Conflict SA:  66 / 56
Wolfenstein: 110 / 107

So the 4770 CF losses in a few areas but in most things keeps up.  Bumping the res up actually closes the gap.
realneil 4 years ago

Here is the link he refers to.

I think I'll just buy another 5850 and crossfire them. Should work well.

rapid1 4 years ago

Wow Nvidia is taking a beating on this one it seems! These are quote's:

"Meanwhile let’s talk about the other factors: price, power, and noise. At $500 the GTX 480 is the world’s fastest single-GPU card, but it’s not a value proposition. The price gap between it and the Radeon 5870 is well above the current performance gap, but this has always been true about the high-end. Bigger than price though is the trade off for going with the GTX 480 and its much bigger GPU – it’s hotter, it’s noisier, and it’s more power hungry, all for 10-15% more performance. If you need the fastest thing you can get then the choice is clear, otherwise you’ll have some thinking to decide what you want and what you’re willing to live with in return."

" Even if it was 25% faster, I wouldn't buy it, not with those thermals. Since I got my new 32nm Core i5, I finally have a quiet system for the first time in 10 years. I'm not going to give that up for marginal video performance gains. "

" This thing should come with a coupon for a power supply, this card isn't elegant at all and you can probably OC your 5870 to get the same numbers. AMD will likely release a high clocked 5870 with 2gb of ram before this thing hits the streets and take it crown back before Nvidia even gets a chance to prop it upon it's head. "

Those are randoms from other forums. I saw HH quote's a few times on them as well. This card seems to be headed directly for the trash bin to me. I just don't get it really why drop a product if it's not to the level you want it to be at, which is what this seems to be?

gibbersome 4 years ago

All fingers point to the fact that Nvidia felt the pressure after the success of ATI's 5000 series. This card feels rushed, and while the performance is there, the value certainly isn't.

I wouldn't say the card is headed for the trash bin though. With their lofty promises and by aiming higher, Nvidia has raised the bar for ATI.

Nvidia has informed us that the GTX480 is NOT a complete GF100 chip. A complete chip would be a 512 core organized in a 4x16x32 fashion, while these card do not have all the units activated. A GTX485/495 will unleash that power, but that maybe several months away.

I'd rather they had waited till summer and sorted out some of the temperature and power consumption issues. My advice to everyone looking for an Nvidia card is to wait. In a few months you'll be banging your head in frustration when faster and more efficient cards become available.

rapid1 4 years ago

Exactly so this was basically a rush job. The GTX485 I can see, while as we were discussing yesterday a 495 dual GPU card goes above power standards as well as PCI-X standards. So it won't run on any motherboard unless someone makes a specialized board with out of spec power availabilities, and Pci-X capabilities. I just don't see it, of course if they reworked the power profile, heat profile that may work and with further development I could see that. Efficiency is a really big thing when your hardware is pushing as much as this one is!

realneil 4 years ago

[quote user="gibbersome"]In a few months you'll be banging your head in frustration when faster and more efficient cards become available[/quote]

Smart advice that should be followed by all,......NVIDIA just wanted some of the market share that ATI has been enjoying for so long. They haven't really earned it yet though. BUT,............I think that they'll release something earth shattering this year and slap ATI around some.

AKwyn 4 years ago

[quote user="gibbersome"]

All fingers point to the fact that Nvidia felt the pressure after the success of ATI's 5000 series. This card feels rushed, and while the performance is there, the value certainly isn't.

I wouldn't say the card is headed for the trash bin though. With their lofty promises and by aiming higher, Nvidia has raised the bar for ATI.

Nvidia has informed us that the GTX480 is NOT a complete GF100 chip. A complete chip would be a 512 core organized in a 4x16x32 fashion, while these card do not have all the units activated. A GTX485/495 will unleash that power, but that maybe several months away.

I'd rather they had waited till summer and sorted out some of the temperature and power consumption issues. My advice to everyone looking for an Nvidia card is to wait. In a few months you'll be banging your head in frustration when faster and more efficient cards become available.

[/quote]

While I admire their dream to aim higher. They should of had this released around the same time the ATI Radeon HD 500 Series launched, but instead they delayed it and ATI got most of the DX11 market rounded up right now. Also you think with the delays and stuff, they would figure out a way to make the GPU more efficient and cool. Instead they focused on higher performance and beating ATI with a slight performance gain. If this was truly revolutionary then there should be a massive jump of performance. This thing is like the Pentium D, It's hot, inefficient and even though it's got special features, it's not worth the hassles then a more efficient CPU will bring you.

If they had worked on making a more efficient GPU then maybe it would use all 512 cores organized in a 4x16x32 fashion. Even when the 485/495 is released. It will beat the 5870 by a stretch but it will still be only 10-20 FPS faster then the ATI Radeon HD 5970.

JoelB 4 years ago

Out of curiosity, do we know if/when the lower end Fermi cards will hit? That's what I'm more interested in. I've never paid more than $200 for a video card, and I don't think upgrading my current card will change that.

RyuGTX 4 years ago

Thanks for the additional links.

One interesting thing I found out from the Overclockers Club review was that there is a DX11 game by the name of Metro 2033. Not sure how much it utilizes DX11, but the GTX 480 seems to shine (if only a little bit brighter) in this test compared to the 5870 than in other benchmarks. So like gibbersome mentioned, this card would fare better in benchmarks that heavily utilize tessellation, a DX11 feature.

 

[quote user="JoelB"]

Out of curiosity, do we know if/when the lower end Fermi cards will hit? That's what I'm more interested in. I've never paid more than $200 for a video card, and I don't think upgrading my current card will change that.

[/quote]

 

I don't think there has been any announcement of the lower end Fermi cards. But seeing how their top of the line performed, I would advise you to just get an ATI card. Either the 5770 or 5830. You maybe be able to catch a nice deal on a 5830. If not, then go with a 5770. Those are some great cards.

 

realneil 4 years ago

I'd wait to see what develops over the next few months.

I'm setting aside cash right now, bit by bit and when there is enough for another 5850, I'll look at the situation again. if things are still the same as now, i'll get the second 5850 and do crossfire. I know I'll be happy with that because I don't have to have the very best solution out there.

rapid1 4 years ago

That is what I am thinking on right now realneil. I already had a 5850, and I won this system in the contest that came with the 5870. From what I was reading people have been crossfiring the two together. However; the only real benchmarking I could find on it the 5850 and the 5870 operating at at stock frequencies. This would cause some difficulties, not bad ones and the performance was raised pretty well. They said there was some difficulty because the 5870 is clocked over the 5850 so both cards had to work to make up for it dropping the core a bit. Why not just clock them even my 5850 is an OC with a double lifetime warranty anyway. So if I can get the 5850 oc'd a litte and the 5870 down clocked a little to where there both running in sync the performance should be better than two 5850's which seem even though it is odd to be the winning config in crossfire across the board. (not to mention a 5970 is actually 2 5850 gpu's with double the ram).

gibbersome 4 years ago

Maybe replace your motherboard with one support Lucid Hydra? Nvidia's 90% scaling is simple awesome. ATI is going to have to respond and improve the efficiency of Crossfire substantially or risk losing out to Nvidia in the long run.

slugbug 4 years ago

Like the Will Shakespeare play: Much ado about nothing :(

la_guy_10 4 years ago

After reading the review Nvidia did do well, but I expected more of a whopping than what I saw. Having said that, as drivers mature we could see performance increase. But to ATI's favor they do have a 6 month lead over Nvidia. Still Ii's still good to finally see Fermi released as now prices might come in.Geeked

realneil 4 years ago

[quote user="la_guy_10"]After reading the review Nvidia did do well,..........[/quote]

I can only see one real world advantage to having one of these cards. It will do Direct-X11 AND Phys-X processing too. Said advantage either increases or decreases according to how much adaptation in games Phys-X enjoys in the future. I know NVIDIA is pushing it as one of the next great things, but it's propitiatory at this point. If it's so good, they should open it up for real, unhampered development to benefit all of us.

If they're able to refine the entire  platform to run cooler and deliver that 'Holy Grail' performance without spinning my electric meter like a top, then they'll deserve to succeed with it.

DX-11 will certainly be with us, but both major players support that now, so it's not an issue unless one company does it allot better than the other.

These are interesting times, and I'm looking forward to seeing how the situation develops in the next six months or so,.............


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