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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 3:34 AM
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Originally posted by Richard12
Nice Clee. I've been waiting for you for a while, if you have any questions or problems just drop me a pm or come in the chat

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Originally posted by Bothware
:cool: Good to here you've come on board Clee :cool:

Thanks Ben & Criag, actually I feel bad being so late to the game, yeah I'll need all the help I can get from you gurus 4 sure cuz I'm new to "fold".

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Originally posted by Richard12
..... Pretty soon you'll be beating ........


lol the thought of beating anybody never crossed my mind , I only have a rdram box + a 300mHz AMD ( IBM Aptiva which I got for free 2 days ago hehe ) , may even use the wife's 1Ghz P3 later but can't promise though. I could only wish the HH Folding Team was set up 1 yr ago, when I had 9 Ghz of total power available on tab from 3 home rigs in Houston, all ran 24/7 but sitting idle most of the time.

Gosh, with all those machines U have, u should eb able to start a folding farm Craig. :eek:
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Bothware replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 1:00 PM
ok, I'm into 5th place, and 4th is in sight ..... I'm coming after ya RFire ... me is on my way, gotta catch Rudy and then Richard first though ! !

Hey, I'm only folding on 3 rigs at the moment !

Will add laptop soon, and also 2 part-time rigs.

My 2 oldest rigs are too slow to be worth folding on.
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etsd311 replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 3:40 PM
not really dude...any system will help.....

imagine you're like, 150 points away from catching 1st place....you system is folding a 50 pointer....you're sure you won't be catching up for another 2 weeks or so...

then BAM, those two small systems that've been chuggin' away for the past month finally kick in and w00t! you're now in 1st place.
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Bothware replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 4:39 PM
P90 & 200MHz 486 though .....

And I havn't got time to install an OS on them @ mo and I've run out of CAT5E conectors ... must order another few packs !
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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 5:36 PM
I'm signing in to ask a few ques. but ironically since you made a few interesting suggestions in the couple of threads here E3, I may as well ask 'em all in this thread:
Now here's my scenario:
I picked up this 300mHz Aptiva on Monday, ran P95 overnight and started folding on Tuesday , assigned to a 2500 frames project scheduled to be completed in 12 days. It's been crawling miserably and only completed 6% after 48 hrs. Hence I decided to use my TH7II as well on Thursday. In 45 hrs, it completed a 400 frames project( scheduled for completion in 7 days).

Her are my questions:

Quote:

Originally posted by etsd311
not really dude...any system will help.....


I've been reading a lot 'bout folding on the Stanford site lately E3, if I remember correctly, eventhough any completed WUs will be credited towards the individuals' own folding score, but if not completed on schedule, they will not be used for the Stanford research project, and that really defeats the purpose of folding ?


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then BAM, those two small systems that've been chuggin' away for the past month finally kick in and w00t! you're now in 1st place.

Are u sayin' that the folding machines require burned-in time ?? or depnding on the project involved, the time required for per-frame completion may be shortened towards the end of the project ( e.g. 2hrs per frame on a 2500 frame project at the beginning, but after say 50%, the time required may be cut down to 1 hr or less?????)


Now w.r.t. to ur other post-->
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Originally posted by etsd311
i just completed one that had 2500frames.
it was worth a good 53.3 points.


My P4 just completed project 639 last nightt , a 400 frames project but already worth 71 pints, isn't a 2500 frame project ( my AMD currently runnin' on ) supposed to worth 400-ish points. ??

another Que.
which version do u people suggest, the GUI or the Console one

another que.
any optimization can be done on the AMD box? any linky?

Pleass don't turn this into another Intel vs AMD again as we all know on 2 equiv. spec'ed machines, AMD > Intel when it comes to folding. Let's all make it to another milestone==> HH in Top 100 & we go from there, so Ray & Ben's efforts won't go wasted. Cheers and TIA 4 y'all helps.
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RudyR1999 replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 5:55 PM
From my experiance. Yes some WUs do complete faster then others, but in a whole they all really take the same amount of time to complete. I have done 3 2500 WUs. They take about the same amount of time as a 400 WU does.

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etsd311 replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 6:10 PM
wow, clee, you talk too much j/k bro.

first question
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concerning the tme limit...i've never run into a time limit problem...and i didn't even even know if you didn't finish the WU in time it wouldn't count towards your score... :confused: very odd to me.

second
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not burn-in time....i was refering to how long a slow little comp would take to complete a WU. saying "chuggin' along and finally kicking in" means they finished their WU and you get a nice little gain in F@H score because you're not expecting the extra points.

third
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you got a WU that was worth 71 points?!?! very nice. and no, how many frames a WU has...does NOT necessarily mean it's worth more points. and usually, the more frames a WU has, the faster each frame is folded. so the time it takes to fold a WU with 250frames is about the same as one with 2500frames. get it?

forth
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i like the GUI interface. but even then....i don't really use it...i also run EMIII. that's the prog i use to monitor my F@H.

fifth
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does your computer automatically run F@H at startup? if not, DO SO! if you do, go to Start : Programs : Startup : your F@H shortcut...right click the F@H file, select Properties, in the target line...add these two commands...

-advmethods -forceasm

that's all i've got. hope i answered the lot of your questions. happy folding
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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 6:11 PM
K...thx Rudy.
That's strange cuz I basically loaded up the Aptiva with WinXP and sticked sanother 256 pc133 in it. Ran a few MS Office appln's OK and ran Prime95 overnight wo. breaking a sweat. I'll look into it further & if it still don't improve, I might have to pull it out from folding damn
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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 6:16 PM
sorry I just missed ur post.

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Originally posted by etsd311
first question
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concerning the tme limit...i've never run into a time limit problem...and i didn't even even know if you didn't finish the WU in time it wouldn't count towards your score... :confused: very odd to me.



I read that on the Stanford site forum last night. I hope it's NOT true. Will try to find it again and post back.


hehe sorry for talkin' too much, I'm a newb
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Bothware replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 6:37 PM
If you take longer than the deadline, it will count for your score, but will be scientifically useless 'cos they will reassign it for processing !!

They have to do this because future units are dependant on results of current units.

Calibration rig their end is Celeron 500 -- anything slower than this could miss deadlines easily.

Just checked the deadlines on my current units, they are all like end of september and only take 4 days each to process ( on a Xeon 2GHz )

Official forum is [url]http://forum.folding-community.org/[/url] if ya want to double check things.

Points are directly correlated to the processing expense NOT to the number of frames or anything else ... as stated previously calibration rig is Celeron 500.

AMD chips fold way way faster than Intel chips aswell.

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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 7:59 PM
Yes I know F@H is pretty much similar to Super_Pi which uses the FPU extensively, relies heavily on IPC and not much SSE optiimized, hence Intel chips ( in particular the P4 core) got hammered. e.g. It only took Ray 41 secs to complete 1M digits of Pi on his XP @ 2.6+ Ghz, while it took mine(P4 3.4 Gz) 43 secs to complete the task. So I know AMD reigns in Foldong, but I won't go to the extreme in saying it's that " much much " faster. but hey everyone set his/her standard differently, guess mine's being set toooo low lol


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..... their end is Celeron 500 -- anything slower than this could miss deadlines easily.


Cheers 4 the headsup, mine's the IBM Aptiva with AMD K6 333, w 384 mb. Only 9% completed after 4 days. It certainly doesn't sound right. I may have to reload XP again.
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Richard12 replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 8:11 PM
I heard anything above a 233 will easily make the deadlines so you should be fine clee.
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Bothware replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 8:18 PM
IMO AMD chips are much much faster 'cos average completion time of a 400frame WU on 1GHz Athlon is less than on a 2GHz Xeon !!!!!!! ... so they seem to do over twice as much per clock cycle.

As for P4M 1.6GHz, its so slow its hardly worth folding on compared to an XP2400+
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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 8:46 PM
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I heard anything above a 233 will easily make the deadlines so you should be fine clee.


Thx Ben. The 2500 frames project was supposed to be done in 10 days and the Aptiva box doesn't seem like it's gonna finish for another 30 some days @ the rate it's going. Definitely somethin' gone wrong, I'll look into it.


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Originally posted by Bothware
IMO AMD chips are much much faster 'cos average completion time of a 400frame WU on 1GHz Athlon is less than on a 2GHz Xeon !!!!!!! ... so they seem to do over twice as much per clock cycle.


Xeone are geared for MP types of work but if indeed your 1GHz Athlon do twice as much work / cycle ( in theory it doesn't based on CPU architectures hehe) as the 2GHz Xeon, then yeah I would
agree that AMD chips are much faster.
Just out of curiosity Craig, how long does it take your 1GHz Athlon to complete a frame on a 400frame WU ? My P4 folding rig is a 1.8A ( Williamette) @ 2.25 on i850 board,
it averaged about 7 some minutes per frame, Project P639.
I think prolly not all 400frame WUs run the same, but it'll be interesting to see some ball park figures though.

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btw I won't bother to fold with a mobile chip either lol
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I feel happy knowing my 1Ghz Athlon folds better than a 2Ghz Xeon
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clee replied on Sun, Aug 17 2003 11:23 PM
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I feel happy knowing my 1Ghz Athlon folds better than a 2Ghz Xeon


A Xeon chip is pretty much a P4 with bigger cache & MP support Pun. It's a Xeon workstation I used @ work and it spanks the light out of any home rigs I've built => FOR THE TYPE OF SYSTEM APPLICATIONS WE WORK ON.
I don't see how a 1GHz T-bird folds run twice as fast as a 2GHz P4 but I'm a complete NOOB in folding & haven't seen it's source code yet. But my 3 yrs old Willy 2+Ghz has been chugging alone well & it's now completed 160frames in another 400frame WU. But I don't think I'll ever catch up to your 1Gigger Pun. Yours folds twice as fast & 2 mos. ahead of me. But if I do, I sure will revive this post. Dang I'm addicted to folding....for now
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clee replied on Tue, Aug 19 2003 5:53 PM
update:

I checked my progress this morning and was already on my 3rd project, a 500frame/WU one. Surprise me though, while my 1st 2 project were 400 frames/WU and each took 2 days to complete, the new one was almost 35% completed and I'm sure it's gonna finish within a day.
Luckily I didn't run it on the P3 1GHz box, otherwise I would have thought my P3 is "twice" as fast as the P4 @ 2.2 lol.
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Nerts replied on Tue, Aug 19 2003 7:50 PM
the first 2 that you did are 70 pointers and they take forever to do. the last 5 or 6 wu's that i've had are the 70 point ones too so it gave etsd311 a chance to over take me oh well. The best wu is 910 i'll do it in less then half a day and it's worth 57 points
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etsd311 replied on Tue, Aug 19 2003 11:08 PM
glad you noticed, Nerts.
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Richard12 replied on Wed, Aug 20 2003 8:33 AM
I'm ready to start the heavy folding.

My brother is going away for 8 days so therefore his 2800+ will be folding nonstop.

Here I come.
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Bothware replied on Wed, Aug 20 2003 3:57 PM
I don't have exact figures on the folding performance of AMD vs Intel, but it certainly feels as if the AMD chips are foilding much much faster.

I'm just about to upgrade main rig to an XP2500+ and I've set the laptop folding again ( only 9 hours a day though )
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clee replied on Thu, Aug 21 2003 4:47 AM
Quote:

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the first 2 that you did are 70 pointers and they take forever to do. the last 5 or 6 wu's that i've had are the 70 point ones too so it gave etsd311 a chance to over take me oh well. The best wu is 910 i'll do it in less then half a day and it's worth 57 points


thx 4 the heads up Nert. Yeah I see what U mean ,at first I thought the time it takes to complete a project, despite #of frame/WU, should be 'bout the same and the points would be awarded proprtionally.
Obviously it's not => The 1st 70 pointers I completed in about 45hrs, the 2nd 70 pointer was in excess of 50 ( both 400f/WU) but the 3rd one only took 1/4 of the time, yet it's worth a whooping 47 points & it "felt" like twice as fast. Overall I'm quite pleased with folding though, it's for a good cause and I know my cpu cycles ain't go wasted. But damn, I'm on another 70 pointer again in my 4th one.


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I don't have exact figures on the folding performance of ..... but it certainly feels as if.....


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RFIRE15 replied on Thu, Aug 21 2003 8:46 AM
wow... it pleases me to hear about all this good, hard folding....

though nobody is catching me, even when i have one of my systems down...

don't you worry though, my main one (2.3ghz amd) is chuggin right along

WTF!!!!
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Richard12 replied on Thu, Aug 21 2003 9:56 AM
I finally got my brother's Barton up and running and slightly overclocked. He's going away to football camp so I got 8 days of 24/7 folding.

I'm looking to average around 1000 a week again.
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5 rigs in total doin nothing but folding, combines to a total of 8.6GHz of folding power u like.

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RFIRE15 replied on Fri, Aug 22 2003 9:24 AM
nice dazman....

looks like ray just ordered a new PSU..and a *wisper* barton
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clee replied on Sun, Aug 24 2003 11:47 PM
woot 8.6GHz of AMD pure power, that's gonna be awesome. Watch out Ray, ur gonna get get butt-kicked in a short while

btw I just checked this evening and it wrapped up another 200frames/WU...for a paltry 15 points....yike.
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Bothware replied on Sun, Aug 24 2003 11:51 PM
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woot 8.6GHz of AMD pure power, that's gonna be awesome.


Did he say it was all AMD ?

Anyway .. I currently have an accumaltive 12.6GHz folding ( 3GHz AMD + 9.6GHz Intel )

For some reason my 1GHz Athlon LAN server just took 5 days to do a 2500 frame WU ... usually its super quick

I think some units process faster on Intel chips, and others are much much faster on AMd chips ..... I wish they would update their client software to be more selective ... overall it would significatnly increase productivity.
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darn right 8.6GHz of pure AMD muscle folding.

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clee replied on Thu, Aug 28 2003 9:40 PM
QUOTE]Originally posted by Bothware
Did he say it was all AMD ?



No, I was just guessing. I think I guessed it right.


Quote:

Originally posted by thedazman67
darn right 8.6GHz of pure AMD muscle folding.
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what's ur user name ?

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But I don't think I'll ever catch up to your 1Gigger Pun. Yours folds twice as fast & 2 mos. ahead of me. But if I do, I sure will revive this post......


I'm reviving this post cuz ur now I own U Pun My Aptiva box still crawling at 50% completion after 14 days but I've got another P4C chip now on the run. I'll prolly fold it for a week & hopefully hit 1K by then. Get off ur a$$ and fold dude, U haven't been active since Aug. 05 ?
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larac replied on Fri, Sep 19 2003 4:35 AM
Any one else here a member of the beta testers?

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larac replied on Fri, Sep 19 2003 4:39 AM
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Did he say it was all AMD ?

Anyway .. I currently have an accumaltive 12.6GHz folding ( 3GHz AMD + 9.6GHz Intel )

For some reason my 1GHz Athlon LAN server just took 5 days to do a 2500 frame WU ... usually its super quick

I think some units process faster on Intel chips, and others are much much faster on AMd chips ..... I wish they would update their client software to be more selective ... overall it would significatnly increase productivity.




There are different types of workunit which require different types of processing. If you FAH directory has a file called tinker.log then the unit your processing will be faster on an AMD than on Intel.

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Richard12 replied on Fri, Sep 19 2003 6:39 AM
Larac long time no see!

Welcome Back.

I recall hearing you say you were going to fold for us, hop on.
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larac replied on Sat, Sep 20 2003 12:43 PM
Just started folding again. Should get my first WU done today.

I seem to remember suggesting a seti/f@h team ages ago, glad it's been done.

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long time no see guys i am really gutted at the mo coz my folding power as been decreased due to the simulatanous death of the PSUs on my other systems. the only one working now is the system listed in my sig, i decided to fold on this machine but noticed the temp jumped to 51 degrees higher than its ever been will this cause ne damage to my processor over time normally i wouldn;t be bothered but this system is my pride and joy i don;t want it to die out but i also want to fold as well.

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WD 7200RPM 40GB HD
Maxtor DiamondMAx +9 160GB
ATI RADEON 8500 64MB DDR

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RudyR1999 replied on Sat, Sep 20 2003 6:19 PM
51C is a decient tempature. As for it decreasing the life of your processor. There is no worry, unless you plan on having the processor for 10+ years.

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Bothware replied on Sat, Sep 20 2003 10:12 PM
51C sounds about right for that rig ..... but a better cooler with some Shin Etsu 751 would drop it a bit.
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back to folding it is then, when i get some cash ill invest in a new heatsink n fan combination i am open to sugguestions of which things to buy.

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AMD Athlon 2500+ @ 2.07GHz (11.5*180)
Zalman CNPS-7000B Cu
Asus A7V333
Geil 512MB PC2700
WD 7200RPM 40GB HD
Maxtor DiamondMAx +9 160GB
ATI RADEON 8500 64MB DDR

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Originally posted by thedazman67
long time no see guys i am really gutted at the mo coz my folding power as been decreased due to the simulatanous death of the PSUs on my other systems. the only one working now is the system listed in my sig, i decided to fold on this machine but noticed the temp jumped to 51 degrees higher than its ever been will this cause ne damage to my processor over time normally i wouldn;t be bothered but this system is my pride and joy i don;t want it to die out but i also want to fold as well.

thedazman



if it fries get a barton 2500+ for 90$ and youll have more pride in your rig
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Caboose replied on Wed, Nov 12 2003 2:07 PM
Let see if it will let me fold now.....How do i join the team?? I put the number in but how do i create an account?

I don't think it's working right...............
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