Sony Bans PlayStation 3 Hackers Forever

you know what, i agree with this decision... the reason most people hack their systems is to pirate games.

the genuine hackers will be smart enough to play around with the hardware but not for illicit purposes... and now, chances are, they wouldnt go online with their consoles.

We are talking about Sony here though. One of the companies with the worst history of how to treat your customers.

I think this is a bad thing in general. While I don't condone hacking or pirating of games, this is really turning into what you as a customer actually own. So you paid 300-600 for this PS3. Where they have continually removed more and more from them. For example I cant use my PS3 the say way I could have when I bought it 4 years ago. At one time I had the ability to install a OS on the system, but it has been removed due to "security" reasons. So what actually do we own when we "buy" a console? 

It would be like buying a car and wanting to have something changes on the car such as tires and having the car company say you cant do that they are not the tires we sell... 

some hacks (if there not pirating games/music) are good changes to a system if not needed i know many of the so called hacks of the Xbox kinda suck to play

against but still some cool stuff

Honestly, you're connecting to Sony's network. It's not like they're bricking your PS3, just not letting you go on their network with it. It makes me so mad when idiots who got banned from Xbox Live were screaming at Microsoft and saying it was unfair. With Sony, its should be even less of an issue since you don't pay to use their servers at all.

I agree with coolice, there's really nothing wrong with the way Sony is doing it. They have to protect their market share, because games aren't free, and unfortunately, the good get bunched in with the bad, because there are so few hackers compared to pirates.

Also, why does that guy look like he has more than two arms on that picture?

Der Meister:

It would be like buying a car and wanting to have something changes on the car such as tires and having the car company say you cant do that they are not the tires we sell... 

only if we're talking about OS hacking, this analogy works. Pirating games, now that is an offense worth a lifetime ban. To use your car analogy, this would be like buying said car, going back to the dealership or other nearby dealerships and periodically and taking rims, engines, CD Players, steering wheels, etc from other cars on the lot whenever you feel like it.  to expect no punishment for those actions is ridiculous

>> this would be like buying said car, going back to the dealership or other nearby dealerships and periodically and taking rims, engines, CD Players, steering wheels, etc from other cars on the lot whenever you feel like it.

Copyright Infringement does not equal theft (Dowling v. United States), no matter what the RIAA/MPAA/BSA would have you believe.

Your analogy is flawed, because copying software does not deprive the original owner of their copy.

According to that ruling, yes I can't say Copyright Infringement is Theft. I'm sure there is a hot debate against that, and I would be for a change on that ruling.

In any case, if a person is pirating something then they should understand potential punishments when the original owner comes after them. The Supreme Court has backed rulings from lower courts on punishing those who pirate music (and i'm sure has been argued for games already; no need for that debate) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704584804575644610726717900.html

dodgers2213:

According to that ruling, yes I can't say Copyright Infringement is Theft. I'm sure there is a hot debate against that, and I would be for a change on that ruling.

In any case, if a person is pirating something then they should understand potential punishments when the original owner comes after them. The Supreme Court has backed rulings from lower courts on punishing those who pirate music (and i'm sure has been argued for games already; no need for that debate) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704584804575644610726717900.html

Oh, don't get me wrong:  I don't condone piracy.  I was just pointing out the lie that copyright owners continually spread as "education" to the masses.

The real problem with what Sony's doing is that they're banning people simply for having homebrew apps installed.  If I can write a program, sign it, and run it on my own PS3 - why should I be banned for that?  It's exactly what everyone used to be able to do before they removed the OtherOS function.