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Resin Posted: Sat, Dec 25 2010 11:14 PM

So after much help from people here, I got all my system parts today. This is the first time I've built my own system so I'm pretty stoked. Here is what I ended up getting:

600T case, intel i5, Gigabyte p55-usb-3 mobo, msi n460gtx hawk, 4 gb ripjaws mem, corsiair tx650w psu

what I didn't get is any kind of thermal compound or grease (are these different things?) so it looks like I can't countinue assembling it tonight.

the psu came in a velvet black bag with a small corsair logo, so fancy, and heavier than I would have realized. It's been about ten years since I've had a new computer. :D

I'm starting a new thread here rather than just continueing my old one because it was sort of in the wrong section and was more about finding out where and what to buy. 

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Hey Resin did you get an aftermarket cooler?  if not then the i5 cooler should come with thermal compound.  Most aftermarket ones do too.  Although I would recommend re-applying some arctic silver5 later, im sure stuff it came with will work for now, i know your probably anxious to get it up and running.  Also if you have a radioshack nearby you could go pick up the arctic silver.

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kid007 replied on Tue, Dec 28 2010 7:21 AM

we just need pictures and benchmarks! :)

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Indeed just use the stuff on the i5 CPU heat sink. I really wouldn't bother changing it out later if you never plan on over clocking it. 

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Resin replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 1:01 AM

Yeah I figured that out almost right after posting this, :P

I got it running that night, I've been having a great time playing games and watching movies (Valhalla Rising, I liked it)  for the last day or so, I was so thrilled with it, got all my programs loaded on using Ninite, then I went away for a day. When I came back I had a problem.

When I turned my computer on the monitor wasn't recognizing any video output. Later I noticed that my keyboard and mouse had no power either. All of the phase LEDs on the motherboard are lit up as well as 2 on the GPU, and the LEDs by the sound output are blinking fast, I have no idea if this means anything but I don't think they were all lit before. I tried taking out and replugging everything including the gpu, and trying to look for any possible shorts, I found that the 12v 8pin power for the processor (I think) wasnt quite pushed in all the way, but fixing that doesn't seem to do anything different.

I'm worried :( and don't know what to do.

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I hope someone more experience can help you, but until they do....have you updated all your drivers? Lets just hope that unsecured pin didn't cause damage (if it can)

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Resin replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 1:21 AM

Yeah I did that the first day. Yeah I sure hope not. I sent a note off to Gigabyte's support, don't know if anything will come of that.

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Humm, Try taking out the GPU and booting it. 

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realneil replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 12:24 PM

Reset the BIOS too.

It's explained in the motherboard book how to do it.

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Resin replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 12:26 PM

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Humm, Try taking out the GPU and booting it. 

So I tried that, I obviously had no monitor plugged in but it still wasn't sending power to the mouse or keyboard. I also tried booting it without the drives plugged in, no change there either. I tested the monitor on my old system, it works fine. I think I'm looking at either the motherboard or processor being bad.

I'll try resetting the BIOS next. Actually, I can't see how I could do this without a live screen.

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realneil replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 12:33 PM

Resin:
When I came back I had a problem.

Were there any thunderstorms in the area while you were gone?

Do you have access to a known good PSU to try out?

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realneil replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 12:39 PM

Resin:
I tested the monitor on my old system, it works fine. I think I'm looking at either the motherboard or processor being bad.

Check the Power Supply out first.  What brand did you end up with? It's not a SeaSonic, is it?

Then take everything off of the board and try to boot. One memory stick to start with. Trial and error to isolate the problem.

Tell me what board you have so I can read up on it.

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Resin replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 12:52 PM

There were thunderstorms.

I don't have a known good PSU. I guess I could try looking at whats in my old dell, but the computer is ten years old I doubt it will work right.  The power comes on and the fans go, speed control works and LEDS light up. 

The one I got was a corsair tx

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Resin:
When I came back I had a problem.

Were there any thunderstorms in the area while you were gone?

Do you have access to a known good PSU to try out?

 

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Resin replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 12:54 PM

The motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3

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realneil replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 1:31 PM

Did you reset the BIOS?

 

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realneil replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 1:34 PM

Resin:
There were thunderstorms.

whoops!  not good

It's good to unplug before you travel if you don't have a battery backup unit..

At this point I would suspect the PSU first. Maybe a friend has a known good one to try it out with.

Try to find a PSU tester to check it with. It will not apply a load, but it will tell if the voltages supplied are within tolerances. It will also isolate a dead circuit for you. Corsair is usually quality stuff. I don't know how they are about RMA's though.

 

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lifeskills replied on Thu, Dec 30 2010 11:42 AM

Have you been able to reset the bios yet? any luck?

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realneil replied on Thu, Dec 30 2010 2:31 PM

lifeskills:

Have you been able to reset the bios yet? any luck?

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Resin replied on Thu, Dec 30 2010 3:17 PM

I reset the bios - nothing, I completely replaced the motherboard -nothing. I think its pretty much down to the processor or the psu.

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If its the PSU, try to get a refund and buy Corsair

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dodgers2213:

If its the PSU, try to get a refund and buy Corsair

Hes using corsair TX650.

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realneil replied on Thu, Dec 30 2010 4:40 PM

dodgers2213:
If its the PSU, try to get a refund and buy Corsair

Wilted Flower SeaSonic Wilted Flower

(of course if it's brand new they should RMA the darn thing through NewEgg and he'll get another one just like it)

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lol oops I guess I didn't read his build right Confused

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Im going to say with about 100% certainty its the PSU. 

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realneil replied on Fri, Dec 31 2010 7:58 PM

Der Meister:
Im going to say with about 100% certainty its the PSU.

I agree with you about 100%

Lightning plays hell with PSU's

 

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any news resin?  Wondering if you got it running

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Resin replied on Fri, Jan 14 2011 1:21 AM

I ended up taking it to a place, they told me it was the processor because they got it to boot with an i3. Newegg was good about replacing it, got it yesterday and....it still didn't work.

So I took it back to the place and now they're saying it must be the PSU (even though I very specificly asked them about that before) they're going to test it some more tomorrow to make sure. The guy there suggested that if my power supply is messed up enough to fry my previous processor then I should probably replace the motherboard as well just to be on the safe side because even if I don't see it now it might well be messed up from improper power as well.

It's all very frustrating when all I want to do is play some games.

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yes that is frustrating.  I have had to RMA some parts myself, and Its no fun waiting around.  Probably discouraging to happen on your first build, but things happen every once in a while.  Good luck getting it all together

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realneil replied on Fri, Jan 14 2011 10:17 AM

Resin:
they told me it was the processor
   
Resin:
The guy there suggested that if my power supply is messed up enough to fry my previous processor then I should probably replace the motherboard as well
Resin:
now they're saying it must be the PSU

Sounds like a win-win for the guy. Just make sure that anything he takes out of that PC stays with you and doesn't go to him. He doesn't get to keep any of it.

Also,.....If the system boots with the i3 CPU in it, then the motherboard is OK. The RAM is OK, the video Card is OK. (it's booting, right?)

"Just to be on the safe side" is a technical expression used to rip one's balls out through his wallet.

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Resin replied on Fri, Jan 14 2011 1:30 PM

What he's suggesting is that I warranty it through newegg, he's not trying to keep any of my stuff. Prior to me asking them to do a full diagnostic, he even suggested that I could test out the motherboard myself by buying a new one at the local Fry's because they don't charge a restocking fee. I did that and had concluded it wasn't the motherboard. My motherboard is working fine now, pretty sure, what he's suggesting is that the improper power supply could have caused damage that won't actually become apparent until some time down the road, and seeing how I have to go through all this anyway, and it doesn't cost me anything, why not cover the bases.

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realneil replied on Fri, Jan 14 2011 4:52 PM

It was never a case of an improper power supply. It was a lightning storm that zapped the computer and screwed it up.

I'm glad that your tech is not trying to take advantage of the situation. Many computer techs do.

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Resin replied on Fri, Jan 14 2011 6:52 PM

Well now he's saying he tested the PSU and that isn't it. My second processor isn't working and one stick of RAM isn't working so he thinks its the Mobo messing everything else up. I don't know what to think at this point.

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realneil replied on Fri, Jan 14 2011 7:43 PM

Where do you live?

 

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this really sucks Resin. I hope this gets resolved

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Resin replied on Tue, Jan 25 2011 12:16 AM

@ Neil: CA bay area

So any way, after some back and forth Newegg are refunding me for the Mobo and Memory and are even replacing the CPU for the second time. I got to hand it to them, I was really pretty impressed with their speed, professionalsim, and just the fact that they were willing to replace the second cpu after hearing my story. Newegg will get my stuff in probably two days or so, I'll purchase a new motherboard and RAM and probably be ready to try again by next week. 

God I hope the people helping me out actually know what their talking about, they say it is definately not the PSU. They also say that they see alot of problems with GIGABYTE motherboards and recommended that I go with ASUS instead. For memory they also recomended that I go with Crucial or Mushkin over Gskill. Any thoughts on that?

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i have been only running gskill. I had a problem with some corsair XMS back in the day and never turned back. 

 

Hey neil, you think they used a mulit meter, and used it correctly, when they tested his PUS??? ROLF!!!

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 25 2011 9:35 AM

Resin:
@ Neil: CA bay area

So there's no way I can physically help you from Virginia, sorry about that.

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God I hope the people helping me out actually know what their talking about, they say it is definately not the PSU.

That's the very first thing I would have replaced and if the PC will not boot up on the bench when you get the new parts this time then I hope that you'll give it some serious consideration.

If this occurs, then think of trying the SeaSonic brand please,......

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Resin:
They also say that they see a lot of problems with GIGABYTE motherboards and recommended that I go with ASUS instead.

I hear good and bad about both brands. Fact is that people use them both all of the time without issues. I like my ASRock P55 Pro boards, and I just got another one of them along with an i7-870 that works without problems. I think that you can get a bad board from any manufacturer sometimes.

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Resin:
For memory they also recomended that I go with Crucial or Mushkin over Gskill. Any thoughts on that?

I've used all three brands and have seen the best performance and compatibility with GSKill. This is especially true with Intel P55 Chipset mainboards. That's why I recommend that brand. I have four 2GB sticks of GSKill  RipJaws in each of my three PC's here and there's been never any failures. (comes with a lifetime guarantee too)

Geil is another good brand.

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 25 2011 10:08 AM

Der Meister:
Hey neil, you think they used a multi meter, and used it correctly, when they tested his PSU?

"and used it correctly" Surprise

I wonder if our masked multi meter bandit lives in the bay area? Hahahahaah!

I keep 3 known good PSU's around here to bench and test with. I have them because I replaced all 3 of mine with far lower wattage SeaSonic PSU's during last year. I wanted cleaner power and better quality too. Plenty of testing and research has shown that there is no need for gigenormous mega-watt power supplies in PC's these days. Clean and stable power are far more important over the long run.

My smallest PSU last year was an 850 Watt and it's been replaced with a 500 watt SeaSonic brand. A SeaSonic 650 and 700 replaced a pair of 1000Watt PSU's in the other two boxes. Everything works without any problems too.

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Resin:
I ended up taking it to a place, they told me it was the processor because they got it to boot with an i3. Newegg was good about replacing it, got it yesterday and....it still didn't work.

That already seems wrong in my head.  If the cpu worked Newegg would not have replaced it, they would send it back to you...

realneil:

Der Meister:
Hey neil, you think they used a multi meter, and used it correctly, when they tested his PSU?

"and used it correctly" Surprise

I wonder if our masked multi meter bandit lives in the bay area? Hahahahaah!

Now that was funny.

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Resin replied on Tue, Feb 1 2011 6:56 PM

Well regardless I replaced the mobo with a ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA1156 and the memory with  Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3. I'm just waiting on the processor now, I've been kind impressed that newegg has been willing to replace it yet again, third times the charm, gotta be. It should be here tomorrow. Of course if it is my PSU and my tech guy is actually this multi-meter bandit this will all be for naught, but I think this is it, hope so.

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