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Apoca Posted: Thu, Dec 23 2010 2:09 AM

I've already made a post about this in another part of this forum, but I figured I might make a second post in this part of the forums to get more opinions.

I've got $1,100 (well, I have $1,200, but minus a hundred for the OS) to build a computer. Please keep in mind that I wont actually be able to buy the parts until after the 5th of January, so please be wary of 2-day deals and the such. Please remember to include a screen. The only parts I do not need are headset, mouse, and keyboard (I've been using the same ones for gaming for the past 3-4 years). I may be able to squeeze in 50 or so dollars extra, so if you HAVE to go over the budget, please try to keep it within 50 dollars.

This computer will be used for gaming. Mostly MMO's.

 

Thank you all in advance :)

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jonation replied on Thu, Dec 23 2010 4:46 PM

How about DIS:

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=12091654 ?

And i know about when your gonna purchase it, but i just used the list off newegg for convenience. You should definitely shop around for the best deal: i.e. check buy.com, tigerdirect, etc.

EDIT: i changed the link up here too.

CPU: e6400 @ 3.2 (H-50'd)
MB: MSI p6n
RAM: 4G adata
GPU: GTS-450 and 8800GTS for Physx
HDD: WD 500G Black
PSU: 620W Corsair  Mod.
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Apoca replied on Thu, Dec 23 2010 5:02 PM

The link you give takes me to an empty wishlist :S

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Apoca replied on Thu, Dec 23 2010 5:48 PM

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=15175812 Would this work out?

Maybe this mobo would be better than the one on the wishlist? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128445, they're both the same price.

 

Or would going with this be a better idea?:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.564135&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10446076&PID=3958534&SID=skim2403X580120

with

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568 EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) superclocked

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754 Windows OS

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It's not necessary for you to start two threads, we could have moved the original to this section.

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Apoca replied on Thu, Dec 23 2010 9:02 PM

mentaldisorder:

It's not necessary for you to start two threads, we could have moved the original to this section.

Well, they're really two different topics. This one is about systems build from scratch, the other is about pre-built/combo/DIY combos.

 

If you think they should be put together, maybe it would be possible to merge them?

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jonation replied on Thu, Dec 23 2010 9:51 PM

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=12091654

EDIT: try now it's been a day so you can search for it. If this doesn't work go to "public wish lists" and search "apoca"

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MB: MSI p6n
RAM: 4G adata
GPU: GTS-450 and 8800GTS for Physx
HDD: WD 500G Black
PSU: 620W Corsair  Mod.
Case: 900-2 with 7 cathodes and AP-15s
OS: W7 and Ubuntu

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Apoca replied on Thu, Dec 23 2010 10:16 PM

It's still showing up as blank. Did you make it only a temporary wishlist? Or remember to make it public?

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jonation replied on Fri, Dec 24 2010 11:25 AM

i made it public, newegg wishlists mess up sometimes...Because your's is blank... Confused So much for convenience...Stick out tongue

CPU: e6400 @ 3.2 (H-50'd)
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RAM: 4G adata
GPU: GTS-450 and 8800GTS for Physx
HDD: WD 500G Black
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jonation replied on Fri, Dec 24 2010 11:46 AM

Apoca:

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=15175812 Would this work out?

That's a hellofa deal. My only issues with that are
1. Mobo- micro atx doesn't offer multi VGA cards really. I picked the larger version of that mobo, anyway a micro would look funny in that huge of a case. 1200 is beastly, at least in height. I have the 900-2 mid tower and it's about a 1.5' tall. the 1200 is almost 2' tall.
2. The seagate HDD is lackluster at best. I picked a smaller storage, but higher quality. If you need a terabyte in a half then that changes things, but I havent even filled my 500 gig HDD. For 1.5T you gotta try, or "obtain" a ton of movies.
3. The PSU is ok, its been reportedly very loud. I selected a corsair modular PSU.
4. And i just picked some higher quality RAM.
5. No ROM drive in that combo.

However that combo has an SSD for booting, SSDs like that will boot your system in under 20 seconds if configured right.
And if you don't plan on expanding your video to multi card, then i'd go with a micro board. (the board i picked is about $80 more.)

CPU: e6400 @ 3.2 (H-50'd)
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RAM: 4G adata
GPU: GTS-450 and 8800GTS for Physx
HDD: WD 500G Black
PSU: 620W Corsair  Mod.
Case: 900-2 with 7 cathodes and AP-15s
OS: W7 and Ubuntu

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Apoca replied on Fri, Dec 24 2010 4:47 PM

How about this?

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=12982291

 

 

 

And in the case that the link wont work, you can search for Apoca2 in the public wishlist. Also, I'll link all the parts below.

 

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675

Mobo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441

Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

Tower - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

Graphics Card - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568

SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377

Screen - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

OS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Total - $1,206.90

 

Or maybe I should forget about the SSD (I'm not even sure what they do, besides increase performance? But how and in what area?) and get more RAM? Or a better graphics card? Or maybe drop the SSD and go with a 6-core?

 

If getting a 6-core and/or more RAM would be better than having an SSD, I could always get an SSD later along the line. Or,  Icould get the SSD and upgrade the RAM later.

 

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Apoca replied on Fri, Dec 24 2010 10:14 PM

I have another build. It is combining the combo deal I thought about getting and your Apoca's Rig wishlist.

 

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371026

SSD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231377

Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568

HD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319

OS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Screen - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128445

Total - 1,236.90 - but that's because It's a six core CPU. I could go with a 4-core and bring down the price by like a hundred. I could also bring down the price a bit by skipped the SSD (or should I keep it?) And getting two more sticks of RAM for $50. With the money I save, I could then maybe get a little bit better of a graphics card. What do you guys think I should do?

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Apoca replied on Mon, Dec 27 2010 5:29 PM

It's been a few days since anyone responded?

 

Anyone there that can help out?

 

 

Essentially, I'm trying to decide if more RAM is better than an SSD? And is the SSD I have listed in both my builds over-kill? Would it be better to go with more RAM and no SSD, or more RAM but a smaller/lesser SSD? Or keep it at 4GB with an SSD? And if the last, which SSD would be best? Or should I go with 4GB of RAM, no SSD, but a better graphics card?

Also, is it better to go with 4-cores or 6? AMD or Intel? I am, for some reason, more partial to AMD, and I also hear that it is "More bang for your buck". I want to have a good computer, but since I'm on a budget, would it be better to go with a 4 core so I can increase in other areas (like a better graphics card?)

Also, is the case I have listed to small? The 900 (I think it was) or should I go with something bigger?




Please, feel free to make a completely different build. But, please take the time to explain things, like why this part, or that part. I'm hoping to learn something from this experience, so it wont do much good if you give me a list of parts and say "Here, buy this!".



And if you know of any good combo deals, like the one I at the top of my post (maybe I should go with that combo deal?) or a good pre-built computer, please let me know. If I can get a really good pre-built that is upgradeable, I may be willing to save myself the hassle of doing it all myself.

There is a CyberPower (I think) on newegg right now that is $1,199 (I might be able to get someone to loan me the money for a screen if I get this, but I may have to wait 1-3 months or so before I could get a screen) that has 12gb of RAM, a 5770 GPU, and an i7 (I think), would that be worth looking into? There is also a similar system for $1,099 (or around that) that is the same, but has a different (I think it may be a bet behind in power than the first one I am talking about, but it is also an i7) CPU and only 4gb of RAM.

Thank you all in advance.

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Apoca replied on Mon, Dec 27 2010 10:24 PM

This is (I think) my final build, and the one I will be going with. Please, take a look and if you see something, let me know. Thank you.

 

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103894

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319

Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357

Bay Converter: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817997007

OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Screen: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

$1,230 (or so)

Ok, an explanation for some of my decisions: I am going with the Antec 300 black illusion because of the price and the extra fans. I have heard good things about it from people that have used it in their builds, too. I'm going with the mobo because it is cheap, has everything I require (I think), I only plan to use on graphics card, and it comes in a combo with the CPU I am getting. It also got the highest/best benchmarks with the SSD I am getting. As well, it has 4 240-pin slots of RAM that do not require OC'ing to use 1600 RAM, which is good as the RAM I am getting is the G.Skill 4GB (2 x 2GB) 1600 pack, which I hear a lot of good things about and it is a pretty decent price for what you get. I also plan to upgrade to 8GB in the future.

I am getting that CPU  because I like the AMD CPU's, 4-cores is more than enough for most games, which is what this rig is for, and as I said previously, it comes in a combo deal with the mobo which takes $20 off the combined price of the mobo and the CPU.

I am getting an SSD because I hear it can do amazing things for boot times and load times and such if you put Windows on it. So I plan to put Windows and a few key games onto it to increase performance. I am getting the bay converted because the SSD does not come with one. I do not know how to install, partition or w/e I would need to do to use the SSD in the way that I plan to, so if there is a guide out there, please feel free to link me to it. Thank you.

I am getting that GPU because I have heard a lot of good things about it, it looks powerful, and the price is decent.

I am going with the Drive because I think someone else chose it for me, and they knew more about drives than I did, so it was obvious I should go with that,

HD because it has better performance than some of the 1TB drives, and I only have a 250GB HD atm, and I still have more than enough space, even with the games I play, so I doubt I will be filling it up any time soon. Please feel free to suggest a better HD for the same or lower price if you can find one, please.

I am going with the OS because I've been using Win7 since the beta build or w/e and I very much enjoy using it. I am getting the OEM one-time install because it is cheap, and I hear all you have to do is call into Windows support to get it reset or w/e so you can reinstall it.

The screen I am getting because in another thread, someone who knew a great deal more about screens suggested that I get it.

 

That's about it. If you guys have comments, suggestions, etc... please feel free to reply. Thank you all in advance.

 

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jonation replied on Tue, Dec 28 2010 1:01 PM

Sorry about the delay, i've been out with bronchitis.

That is very similar to my list, if you ever saw it. I think that is a fantastic build for a budget gaming rig. I agree with you choices. You gotta upload some picks of the completed build.

CPU: e6400 @ 3.2 (H-50'd)
MB: MSI p6n
RAM: 4G adata
GPU: GTS-450 and 8800GTS for Physx
HDD: WD 500G Black
PSU: 620W Corsair  Mod.
Case: 900-2 with 7 cathodes and AP-15s
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Apoca replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 8:50 AM

I've revised that build a bit. Tell me what you think. It's a tiny bit cheaper. Has 8GB of RAM instead of 4GB, too.

 

Case - Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Mobo - ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard  - I changed the mobo because I could get it with a combo deal with the 955. Also, it supports 4GB RAM sticks, while the other ASUS I was going to get couldn't. (Can anyone confirm this for me?)

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX - I've been heard that this CPU will be more than enough for my gaming needs, and after reading some articles, I have to agree. Anyone disagree?

RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL I am going with 8GB of RAM because the mobo I'm getting supports quad-channel (I think, might want to check that for me if you can. As far as I can see, it does). I've heard that I wont need more than 4GB of RAM, though. But, I want 8GB to be safe, and I think going with a 4-channel kit would be better than going with two dual-channel kits later, right? Any confirm this? Please?

Graphics Card - HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity - I've been told that this card is a bit more powerful than the 460 (femi) Superclocked I was going to go with. And I also hear that the Radeon cards will work better with my AMD processor or some such. Is this true?

PSU - CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - 650W should be more than powerful enough for my single-card build. Corsair also has a 5 yr warranty and a very good name when it comes to CPU's.

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - I'm not sure if I should switch this out for the WD HDD. I hear good things about both. Any more opinions?

Drive - ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM To tell you the truth, from I can tell, the Drive will be good for just about anything you buy. It's just a matter of saving one or two dollars. I rarely use my drive anyway. Just when installing new games or watching the occasional DVD.

SSD - OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - I switched to this SSD because it's cheaper and I've been told that I wont notice any difference at all in performance between this and the one I had previously planned to go with. Anyone else got any more opinions on this? Also, I am still not sure how I would go about putting my OS (and other key games) on the SSD, while using my HDD for music, pictures, other games, programs, etc... I heard something about going into Bios or something like that and partitioning the HD. I don't know. If anyone has a good/decent online guide on how to install/use the SSD the way I want to, please share. I plan to do more detailed research on it in a couple of days, but if you already know of something good to look at, I'd be willing to start earlier! :D

Screen - ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 20000 :1 (ASCR) Built-in Speaker - I changed my mind on the screen because it's the same price as the one I had previously, and it's 2ms instead of 5. I've been told that is good. I don't know if my human eyes would be able to tell a difference either way. But if you can get better for the same price, why not?

And $100 for Windows 7

Total - $1,217.90



To me, this looks like it's as best as this build can bit. The only thing I am concerned about are the CPU not being powerful enough, but that's more of a subconscious thing (Smaller # ='s less powerful). From what you've all told me, it is the same as the 965, and it's more than powerful enough for my needs.

Also, the mobo. I'm a bit worried that it may not support the 4GB RAM sticks, as the other one from the same maker didn't. But, looking at all the "best mobo I've ever gotten" and "Best you can get for the money" reviews on newegg, I think my fears aren't really justified.


I won't be purchasing this computer until sometime in mid-January, maybe a bit sooner, but not before Jan 5th at the earliest. If there is anything to add or say, please do so. I'll choose a best answer in the next couple of days.

I will go back and look at all the parts separately and see if there are any new/better deals/prices before purchasing anything.

But, before I commit. Is there anything I'm forgetting? Any extra wires or such that I'll need to buy?

 

To give you guys an idea of how much of an improvement this will be from my current computer:

My current computer is at, near, or older than 5 years old. I can't even remember. The CPU is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ (2CPU's), ~2.1GHz. I have 2GB of RAM, and am running off the crappy integrated GPU on the mobo, which is an NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430. The HDD has 230GB of space (total).

I used to have a bigger HDD, but it died (around 750GB or so, I think). And a better GPU, but not to much better. It was a $120 card from Best Buy bought around 3-4 years ago.


So, this system will be a massive improvement from what I currently have. Just about anything with a stand-alone GPU and more than 2GB of RAM will be.

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Apoca replied on Wed, Dec 29 2010 10:58 PM

It has been suggested to me that I get this CPU cooler, so that I can OC my CPU.

 

As I am know little to nothing about OCing, I am kind of hesitant to do it, and would rather not do it if possible. If it must be done, would  it be possible to put it off (without noticing a lack in performance) for 4-5 months, and then buy the new CPU cooler and a new GPU at the same time? As I plan to upgrade my GPU after a few months. I also plan to get another 8GB of RAM (as it will probably be a bit cheaper, less than a hundred, for 2x 4GB sticks then, so why not?) once I have gotten a bit more funds..

 

Other than that, am I missing any important cords, wires, fans, etc... that I will need for my gaming rig? Everything I listed is what I plan to buy, so if I'm missing something, or if you foresee any problems that may occur with my build, please, please let me know before I commit and actually purchase the stuff around jan 5th. I would greatly appreciate it if I knew of any possible problems beforehand, rather than find out the hard way and have to return something.

 

 

 

Also, about the SSD. Can anyone give a short guide, or link me to more extensive guide, to using an SSD to be the boot drive (the one that holds windows/ it boots from). I have no idea how to do it.

Like I said, I plan to do more research myself once I get fully moved (in the process of packing atm, actually moving tomorrow, wont have internet til Jan 3-5th.) and have internet again. But, I would greatly prefer it if I was pointed to a guide by someone that actually knew what they were looking for and what was BS and what was actually good advice/a good guide.

 

 

Thank you all here at HotHardware.com for all the help you've been so far. I learned a great deal about computers, computer parts, etc.. by looking around here and some of the help I've gotten from here.

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i like the buzz surrounding the Noctua coolers (NH 12 LE)

 

You may want to get a modular power supply to avoid clutter. Especially if you are going to roll with that case...it looks like it would be a major headache to work with without a modular psu

 

and about the GPU. Right now some people unlocked the 6950 to perform as a 6970. You might want to look up some info on that

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realneil replied on Fri, Dec 31 2010 11:39 AM

Apoca:
It has been suggested to me that I get this CPU cooler, so that I can OC my CPU. As I am know little to nothing about OCing, I am kind of hesitant to do it, and would rather not do it if possible.

No, you don't have to overclock your system and you shouldn't have to do it with the build that you've finally decided on because It will be nice and fast at normal speeds.

Also: OC'ing voids the warranty. (most of don't care about this fact because we're OC'ing the crap out of our boxes, aren't we?)

Please consider that most aftermarket heat-sinks bring the overall temps down on your CPU all of the time, whether or not it's overclocked. It's not required, or even suggested, if you'll not be amping up your system.

Apoca:
Thank you all here at HotHardware.com for all the help you've been so far.

We're always glad to help out here. Good luck with the build too.

 

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Apoca replied on Thu, Jan 6 2011 11:29 PM

Ok, I've ordered all the parts. From the case to the OS, so everything is pretty much final. At the last minute (literally) I decided to go with a modular PSU that was the same price as the Corsair PSU I was originally going to go with, I'll link it later (OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V) If this was a stupid choice, please feel free to let me know ASAP. At the time is seemed like a great modular PSU to go with, but I admit, I know nothing when it comes to PSU's :)

 

Again, thanks for all your input, and you can expect me coming here in a few days when I get all my parts and am putting together my machine, asking for help.

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rrplay replied on Fri, Jan 7 2011 12:05 AM

You should be fine with that OCZ modular PSU ,

if  you have not already done so ..go to the manufacturers websites and get the manuals for all the hardware you ordered to pass the time waiting for your parts to arrive.maybe put them in a build folder with some other build info stuff vids links etc.along with some apps like updated drivers, antivirus ......alot of guys here use Avast [free edition] etc >>flash drive for the new build.

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Apoca replied on Sun, Jan 9 2011 9:39 PM

Most of my parts should be arriving tomorrow. The rest are supposed to be here by Tuesday. I've been looking up (video) tutorials about how to put together a PC. It looks a fairly easy process until you get to the cable management, but even that doesn't look hard. Well, there's a couple of steps that look annoying, like plugging in the power cables for the LEDs, power switch, etc... into the motherboard. But I think I should be fine as long as I look at the instructions/manuals that come with the parts.

I think I've got how to make my SSD my boot drive down.

 

I've heard that putting all the stuff together ontop of a box to make sure it all works is a great idea, so you don't go through the trouble of putting it all in the box just to find out it doesn't work. So I'll be doing that.

 

I've also heard it's probably a good idea to install the CPU and heatsink on the mobo before putting it into the case. What do you guys think of this?

 

 

Also, I do not have an anti-static wristband. Do I need one? Or will touching the metal on the case regularly be enough?

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rrplay replied on Mon, Jan 10 2011 9:09 AM

Sound like you are really looking forward to this and have developed a good plan.

You do not necessarily have to get an anti-static wristband but for 7.00 or so should give you peace of mind.

Since you plan on test building on a box or such you will already have the cpu, ,heatsink  & memory mounted to put inside the case.You may also need some handy little screwdrivers or get a little kit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899261002.

Some advice I can share with you is to have a good working area, get the plastic shrink-wrap out of your build area [static charges etc] avoid distractions pets etc

relax and take your time you do not have to complete the build in one  session.but you would like to get  them inside the case after your testing ,

Don't forget the main board standoffs.

Some guys defer neater cable management till after booting and running there rig just to be sure all is AOK.

Just a thought or 2. & let us know how it  goes.

 

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Apoca replied on Mon, Jan 10 2011 8:54 PM

I got everything but the HHD and the Drive today. I took some pictures of the stuff together, though they're crappy as I took them with my phone. I'll post one of them later.

 

The screen and graphics card surprised me. I didn't realize they'd be so big. I'm currently using my new screen with my old comp. I'll start putting together the stuff tomorrow after they deliver it. Though, it's snowing, and supposed to keep snowing, here and I'm not sure if the roads will be to bad for UPS to deliver it.

I've only had a couple of worries with the stuff I got today. The case has some lose/hanging wires in it. I would think they would have tapped it to the side or something to prevent that. Hopefully nothing came loose during transit. Also, the box for my mobo was already opened. It's not a big deal, but I would have preferred if they had tapped it shut or something. But, as far as I can notice, nothing is missing from inside the box, so like I said, it's not a big deal.

 

Thanks for all the tips, too.

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rrplay replied on Mon, Jan 10 2011 9:12 PM

Glad to hear that you got some of your parts and your build confidence is good... probably due to having a good plan.

What you might want to look into when cleaning up your cable management is sleeve-ing  some the case wires from the power switches fans etc

give it a nice pro-touch.

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Apoca replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 8:11 PM

Ok. I got all my parts and started to put things together. Unfortunately, things didn't go as smoothly as I would have liked, especially in the beginning.

 

First, I had trouble with getting the heatsink put on. The trouble was, It took a lot more pressure than I was comfortable giving to get it to snap in. Is this normal?

 

Second, was the I/O faceplate. It had these little arm things that made it hard to get everything to go through it like it should. So, in the end, I just ended up bending the "arms" out of the way.

 

Third, I had trouble figuring out where some stuff went. Fortunately, as I put more stuff in, stuff started to make sense and it went smoothly, for the most part.

 

Fourth is my cable management. It sucks, and I can't figure out how I can get the wires to be any less cluttering.

 

Fifth is that when I got everything (I thought so anyways) put in and connected correctly, it wouldn't start. The mobo got power, but nothing happened when I hit the power button. No fans started, nothing came up on the screen. Just the LED on the mobo lit up :(

 

So, now I'm taking a break for dinner. Can anyone help me out by telling me what I might have done wrong? Could I have damaged something? Did I just plug something in wrong?

 

There are a couple of things I left unplugged, though. There is an eight prong (4 ontop of 4) thing coming out of my PSU. I have a modular PSU, and this cord is permanently attached.coming from the inside of the PSU, so I assume it is important. Can anyone tell me where that goes? I can get a picture if need be. Also, do I just take one of the SATA cords I got and use that to plug in the dvd drive? Where do I plug it into? One of the SATA ports? All I have left are the 6gb/s cords.

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 8:37 PM

Hello,.....

It does take a lot of force to set some heat sinks up correctly. Don't worry about this one.

The IO faceplate uses some of those metal thingies for grounding purposes, but if you've properly connected the motherboard to the chassis then it's a moot point. because if so, then it's properly grounded.

Did you connect a four or eight pin (4 on top of 4) white plastic plug to the upper left side of the board? (as you're looking at it installed into the chassis)

It's an extra power plug and is necessary for it to run. (it's got black and yellow wires or maybe black and another color)

Cable management is something to consider once the system is working properly.


Last,....look in the motherboard manual for "Front Panel Connectors" or something close to that expression. These are little wires with small plugs that are all connected to the motherboard before it will start. Read it and make sure that they're on properly.

Post later with your results.


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Apoca replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 8:51 PM

There are two Black and Yellow cords. One is four (2 on top of 2) and the other is 8 (4 on top of 4). I plugged the 4 (2 on top of 2) in the upper left corner area of the mobo. Is this what you were talking about?

 

This still leaves the 4 on top of 4 one unconnected, though =[

 

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:01 PM

Does the board have room for the 8 pin in the place where you plugged the four pin in?

 

Is the board a ASUS M4A87TD EVO?

If so, then the four pin is all it has and your 8 pin plug should be tied off out of the way. Some motherboards use the 8 pin plug instead.

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rrplay replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:03 PM

If you got the ASUS M4A87TD  see page 34 in manual for the ATX power connector & page 17 for layout and power and case info, You did check the rocker switch on the PSU ?

Thanks Neal for helping him re: the tightness of the AMD heatsink clips etc

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:09 PM

One thing that I forgot to mention is that the video card should have a few power connectors filled on it too. The PCI-E power connectors are modular on your PSU.

They're connected, right?

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rrplay replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:20 PM

Another thing you may want to check if you do not still have power check the pinout info on the mobo for the power switch  [case] sometimes the wiring maybe reversed.on the case leads.

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Apoca replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:28 PM

I'm not sure what to do. As far as I can tell, I have everything connected correctly. Though, this being my first build, It might just be missing something.

 

I would hear beeping or something if something were dead, right?

 

 

And, as far as I can tell, I have the power switch, reset switch, led's ,etc.. connected right. It came with an adapter-like thing (though it isn't an adapter, it just tells you where to plug in the things) that you can plug the wires into and then plug that into the prongs where they were supposed to go. Should I try not using that thing?

 

Like I said, the mobo is getting power, as when I flip the PSU to I (On), the LED lights up.

 

And yes, I do have the cords for the GPU connected.

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:39 PM

Apoca:
It came with an adapter-like thing (though it isn't an adapter, it just tells you where to plug in the things) that you can plug the wires into and then plug that into the prongs where they were supposed to go.

 Good, use that Q-Plug and forget that part. This is a cool ASUS idea

Time to go over connections again. Re-seat the RAM. it only fits properly in one direction

re-set the Video Card,.................and everything else too.

Make sure that the power switch on the PSU is toggled to the on position.

The 24 pin power bundle is connected,....right? (all of those pins are filled?)

If necessary, you may have to remove it from the case and plug it all in on a non-conductive surface to test it out. If it boots there, then you may have a grounding problem with the way it's mounted to the case. The little brass stand-offs only go where there is a matching screw hole on the board. any extra's will keep it all from working.

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:42 PM

Hate to bail on you but I'm off to bed, will check this in the morning.

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rrplay replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 9:48 PM

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Edit similar Q connect info previously posted

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Apoca replied on Tue, Jan 11 2011 11:34 PM

Unfortunately, I have to say I was totally under prepared and I am regretting decision to go this route.

 

It's been nothing but headache. Mostly because I've been filled with constant fear of destroying my parts due to static :/ Watching all the video tutorials I could find, and written tutorials haven't been much help, unfortunately. I am giving up and I'm just going to pay $60 to have someone come and put it together for me. And, if someone is dead/broken, they'll tell me. So at least I'll know that.

 

As far as I can tell, I plugged everything in correctly. So I'm at a lose as to what to do. And, unfortunately, I know no one within a 6 hours drive that can put computers together confidently. So, I'm just going to have someone else do it.  I'm hoping none of my parts are dead or broken, because if they are, I'll have to ship them back which will probably cost a fair amount of money, which I don't have right now.

 

I guess I just wasn't meant to put together a computer xD Hopefully, tomorrow will be the end of it and I can just enjoy playing games.

 

 

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Apoca replied on Wed, Jan 12 2011 5:18 AM

 

(Edit: Also, if anyone is interested in knowing why I got my confidence back and wanted to try again, it's because of this video tutorial. It's extremely in-depth (over 2 hours long) and uses the same/similar mobo as I do, and a similar GPU, Drive, HDD, and is pretty much my build except I have a smaller case, an SDD, and a modular PSU.)

 

 

Ok, I decided to try it all again. I took everything apart, put it back in its cases, and decided to take a nice long break and watch a movie. About an hour and a half ago (it's 4:15am atm) I decided to try it again from scratch. Fortunately, this time all the fans (except for the case fans as I haven't connected those to the PSU yet) turn on! :D Which I think is a good sign. But, unfortunately, I get no picture on the screen I have connected. Does anyone know why this may be? Bad GPU? Something not connected right? Did I just screw up while plugging in the screen? 

 

Also, I'm not sure if my case/mobo has a speaker (that allows you to hear system beeps). When I started the computer, I think I heard a sound that sounded like a beep, but I'm not 100% sure. Is there a way I can tell if there's a speaker anywhere on the mobo?

 

Oh, and the red DMM (or was it DIMM?) LED next to the RAM slots is lighting up. Is that good or bad? Usually, red = bad, but you never know. I'm going to take another break, might wait until after I sleep (maybe lol) to start work again. Once I'm ready, I'll look in the mobo manual and see what the DMM LED is for, but if someone wants to tell me before then, please, please feel free to :)

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rrplay replied on Wed, Jan 12 2011 6:34 AM

really glad to hear you took a break ! and regrouped ! a real good sign id that you got the fans running might as well get the case fans running.

let make sure we have the correct parts listed that you boughtfrom some previoos in fo in this thread


Case - Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Mobo - ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard 

Or did you get something else ?


CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

Or did you get something else ?

Graphics Card - HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

PSU OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"

Drive - ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

SSD - OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Screen - ASUS VH236H Black 23" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 20000

And $100 for Windows 7

 

if your case has a speaker see mobo pg 38 for mobo pc speaker connect

2 stiks ram ? see pg 23 manual Channel A +B

start reading the mobo in for in Bios setup set to auto and defaults

let us know

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Apoca replied on Wed, Jan 12 2011 6:49 AM

I've gotten everything working. Everything is detected in the bios. the reason it wasn't working was something to do with the RAM. Taking out a stick and then , my oturning on the computer, then turning it off and putting the second stick back in did the trick and now both sticks are working :)

 

 

Now my only problem is: When I click on "My Computer" My HDD isn't there, just the SSD. How can I make it show? I know it's detected and all that. Do I need to format it, too?

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