Oracle Accuses Google of Stealing Code

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News Posted: Fri, Oct 29 2010 10:18 AM
Well this is getting interesting. According to reports, Oracle continues to cry foul over Google's business practices, most recently claiming that the search juggernaut "directly copied" its Java code. The allegation comes as part of an updated lawsuit that was first filed back in August of this year. The original lawsuit, which seemingly came out of nowhere, was pretty vague in outlining exactly what Oracle felt Google did wrong, but now we're getting down to the nitty-gritty.

"The infringed elements of Oracle America's copyrighted work include Java method and class names, definitions, organizations, and parameters; the structure, organization, and content of Java class libraries; and the content and organization of Java's documentation," Oracle complains.

"In at least several instances, Android computer program code also was directly copied from copyrighted Oracle America code," Oracle goes on to accuse.


Here's what at stake. Android developers code their apps in Java, which are then run in Google's custom virtual machine (VM) called Dalvik. Dalvik is a critical part of Android, and if Oracle were to get the injunction it's requesting, many Android phones on the market would have to be pulled.

Google so far hasn't responded to the amended complaint, though in the past has referred to the allegations as a "baseless" attack, not only on Google, but on the open-source community as a whole.

"This action is not against Android per se but against any Java development not sanctioned by Oracle," said Kent Walker, general counsel of Google. "The lawsuit is trying to put the genie back in the bottle."
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3vi1 replied on Fri, Oct 29 2010 5:06 PM

Oracle's quickly becoming the latest SCO.

>> Java method and class names, definitions, organizations, and parameters

YOU HAVE TO USE THE SAME NAMES, DEFINITIONS, ORGANIZATIONS AND PARAMETERS OR IT'S NOT JAVA.  IT'S CALLED FOLLOWING THE (OPEN) STANDARD API. Is there not one Sun programmer left with the guts to go tell the legal department that they're being asinine? Does Oracle not realize that Sun GPL'd all of this code long ago?

I am about two seconds from switching to LibreOffice and vmWare, and then recommending to everyone that will listen (and even those that won't) to do the same.  Keep irritating your customers, Oracle.

The really stupid thing about all of this is that when Sun was shopping around for someone to sell themselves to - Sun's execs were promoting this potential lawsuit against Google as one of the selling points.

What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?

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Dont worry it will all be outsourced to India in a few years.

Then when the same code it written in Hindi, how can they say it is the same? Then they sell it back to US!?

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rapid1 replied on Fri, Oct 29 2010 11:31 PM

"Sun's execs were promoting this potential lawsuit against Google as one of the selling points."

Wow if that is a recognized thing Oracle will be counter sued as soon as they get in court, which will also in the end if found to be true make it truly open source legally. This will also get it for free for Google or anyone who wants to use it with a dedicated finding in a court of law.

Which in a way may have been Google's aim, or that of there legal team to begin with. The best argument against anything or anyone is to have them kill it themselves in plain view.

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Nice business model. Develop code and share it with the world. Sue companies for using it.

Brilliant!!

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realneil replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 8:24 AM

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Nice business model. Develop code and share it with the world. Sue companies for using it. Brilliant!!

Makes you want to 'Jack-Slap' them.

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Nice business model. Develop code and share it with the world. Sue companies for using it.

Brilliant!!

Yeah... it has worked well for companies like microsoft and Apple? 

The only ones not getting sued are the people over in Russia and Asia who copy it then call it their own. Like those people who spread the Torrents around and think they have a right to it :P

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wave9x replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 3:02 PM

Obviously people online have no idea what the lawsuit is about. It is about Java ME, not Java SE. Java SE is what runs on your desktop/laptop. RIM, for the record, uses Java for its BlackBerry OS and pays for a license. Google, on the other hand, ripped off Java ME, modified and fragmented it, and now claims it as their own. Google was able to leverage a huge developer pool without any of the hard work Apple, Microsoft, and Sun have done with their languages and platforms. Had Android had it's own programming language and platform, it likely would never have succeeded to the extent it has.

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realneil replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 5:30 PM

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Google, on the other hand, ripped off Java ME

 

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3vi1 replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 8:44 PM

>> Google, on the other hand, ripped off Java ME, modified and fragmented it, and now claims it as their own.

Do you have any evidence to back up this crazy statement? As far as I know, Google used Apache Harmony - which is an entirely a clean room implementation of the API which Sun had nothing to do with (and therefore doesn't deserve licensing).

The only "copied" file they mention in the complaint is a test module that Sun released under the GPL long ago.

I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but pretty much everyone at Groklaw thinks Oracle doesn't have a leg to stand on:  http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101028111354436

What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?

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realneil replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 9:13 PM

3vi1:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101028111354436

Heavy reading there and I don't Grok it all. I feel like I must be A Stranger In A Strange Land.

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3vi1 replied on Sat, Oct 30 2010 11:03 PM

Heheh... that's okay reilneil. You get a free pass for grokking the Heinlein etymology. :)

What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?

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realneil replied on Sun, Oct 31 2010 12:24 AM

3vi1:
You get a free pass for grokking the Heinlein etymology

Lordy, I chewed through all of his books when I was a kid. I read a heck of a lot of Science Fiction.

Tolkien, Castaneda,.............all of that shtuff.


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Super Dave replied on Sun, Oct 31 2010 12:36 AM

This whole fiasco could have been avoided if Google had used a stealthier Street View car to cruise the Oracle parking lot.

 


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SImran replied on Sun, Oct 31 2010 2:52 PM

I wish I could "like" the above comment.

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AKwyn replied on Sun, Oct 31 2010 5:25 PM

Super Dave:

This whole fiasco could have been avoided if Google had used a stealthier Street View car to cruise the Oracle parking lot.

lol. And also I don't know what Oracle is smoking, most of it was open source so how can they win in this predicament.

 

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SImran:

I wish I could "like" the above comment.

I wish you could, too. Regardless, welcome to HotHardware, SImran!Big Smile

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