This looks like it could be a great piece of laptop hardware for people that don't do heavy tasks. Having on-board GPU on the CPU die should give pretty good laptop mobility time. Not to mention it should be much easier to cool laptops needing only one decent cooler - thus reducing weight.
If there is one thing AMD needs to catch up on - is laptop architecture. They have been trailing since the Core launch.
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1 X OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SSD
1 X 500GB HDD
17.3FHD (1080P) Panel
Blu Ray Drive (reader)
Please, the only thing I'm waiting for is whether or not Sandy Bridge will increase my gaming potential and decrease the bottleneck for DX11 graphics cards.
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Will there also be a version without the on-die GPU? Really I could live without it...
Yeah acarzt; as far as gpu's go, on die either in the board, or in these upcoming processors has always been a lacking implementation to me. The one thing from these which really seems strange to me is having a different measurement technology between the cpu and gpu, that seems strange. I say that because of both the heating as well as energy usage in that scenario.
As far as a bottle neck on a DX11 card that is a total non-truth. Yeah there may be some, but since the DX 10-10.1 cards it has been minimized significantly by both the added cores as well as the faster memory on a PCI Express bridge. I just know for me personally I would not be buying any on die setup, unless maybe on a laptop which would see no major GPU activity.
I could however more so see it being a wanted combination if these cards could work in SLI or Crossfire in a hardware used scenario for a laptop. On a desktop it seems pointless. Of course we are generally on the more demanding side of computer users in general here which of course weighs my decision greatly I am sure. I also consider this kind of being a sham job on the more uneducated or general computer user to a point, and can see it being an advantage for them as well, that is if it has over the top (auto switching and or combination) usage availability.
As far as that goes unless Intel goes to co-developing with Nvidia or something I see no reality in that picture. While of course ATI can do it internally so they'd have the greater strength I guess.
Someone I know, who knows, thinks that any bottleneck having to do with DX11 is in the way it's implemented by those who write the software and games that use it. Developers code just hasn't caught up to advances in technology so far and they haven't written to all of it's capabilities according to him. He's a fart smeller (smart feller) and I believe what he says.
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Expect Llano to improve the AMD situation in mobile vs Intel, the same way the shift to 45nm Turion parts did. It made a definite difference, but it didn't really give AMD battery-life parity. AMD will counter the difference with price differences and (probably) improved GPU performance/quality.
The *only* time you see a bottleneck in DX11 that's processor-related is if you have an absolutely top-end GPU setup. If you've got dual 5970s, tri-5870s, or three GTX 480s, then maybe you see a CPU barrier in real-world tests. If this is actually occurring, the smart thing to do is turn on AA / AF. 4x SSAA will bring even a pair of SLI GTX 480s running a 4.2GHz Gulftown to 50 fps or so in modern DX11 games.
I'd expect AMD's Hybrid technology (onboard GPU + expansion slot) to pop up again here.
My Thoughts exactly Joel. In all of the benchmarks i've seen i did not see any CPU bottlenecks :-P
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lol.. nice plug.
Those types of conferences tend to be pretty boring.. i'd rather sit at home and wait for some other poor sap to weed through the boring stuff and provide us the juicy goodness :-D
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