WiFi, Allergies, and Discrimination

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News Posted: Sun, May 25 2008 5:43 PM

A group of Santa Fe residents claiming to be allergic to WiFi signals is requesting that all public buildings have the devices removed.


Arthur Firstenberg says he is highly sensitive to certain types of electric fields, including wireless Internet and cell phones."  I get chest pain and it doesn't go away right away," he said.

Firstenberg and dozens of other electro-sensitive people in Santa Fe claim that putting up Wi-Fi in public places is a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

The city is investigating the matter and should have some sort of decision by the end of the month.  If the city does come to the conclusion that having public WiFi is a form of discrimination, it could open a Pandora’s Box of litigation from coast to coast.  Starbucks might never be the same again.
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Lev_Astov replied on Tue, May 27 2008 11:13 AM
Wow, that's retarded. These people should be bludgeoned.

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MikeL_HH replied on Tue, May 27 2008 11:24 AM
Yes, bludgeoned with science.

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I wonder do they cook with microwaves.EMF,s pass through you everyday like air passages through your lungs! Its everywhere!

On a daily basis, most people are exposed to EMFs generated by household wiring, fluorescent lighting, and any electrical appliance that plugs into the wall, including hair dryers, vacuum cleaners and toasters. In the workplace, common sources include video display terminals (computer monitors), air purifiers, photocopiers, fax machines, fluorescent lights, electric heaters and electric tools in machine shops, such as drills, power saws, lathes and welding machines.

Typical Exposures Present No Known Health Risks

Research has shown that EMFs from electrical devices and power lines can induce weak electric currents to flow through the human body. However, these currents are much smaller than those produced naturally by your brain, nerves and heart, and are not associated with any known health risks.

There have been many studies about the effects of exposure to electric and magnetic fields at extremely low frequencies. Scientists are aware that some studies have suggested a possible link between exposure to ELF fields and certain types of childhood cancer. However, when all of the studies are evaluated, the evidence appears to be very weak.

 

 

 

 

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MikeL_HH replied on Tue, May 27 2008 11:45 AM
I wonder if anyone has tried to take a group of these WiFi sensitive people and conducted a ABX or double-blind test. It might take a while to do since you'd need to give them time between each step so they can return to a "normal" state for consistant results, but seriously... wouldn't that determine if this phenomenon was real?

All you would need is 2 identical chambers that are electromagnetically shielded. 3 chambers in the case of ABX.

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I wonder if anyone has tried to take a group of these WiFi sensitive people and conducted a ABX or double-blind test. It might take a while to do since you'd need to give them time between each step so they can return to a "normal" state for consistant results, but seriously... wouldn't that determine if this phenomenon was real?

All you would need is 2 identical chambers that are electromagnetically shielded. 3 chambers in the case of ABX.

 

Even if this phenomenon  is real whats the answer! This world isTechnology driven and there,s no escaping it! What the term the Worse of Two Evils! I do beleive that it does cause health problems because its not Normal to have these EMF,s passing through our bodies but it is an Infinate Reality!

 

 

 

 

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rapid1 replied on Tue, May 27 2008 12:22 PM
It's there fault they should have built Titanium houses with shielding pads on the inside walls. I say we shoot em...... It's like the lady who sued McDonald's for being a DA and spilling her coffee with the lid off while driving. How bright do you have to be to realize you probably should keep the top on a red hot beverage in a moving vehicle and how is it McDonald's fault that her parents had a child without a brain. Wait lets not shoot em we'll just deport em to Columbia then they won't have to worry about any modern technology invading there space. They'll just have to worry about militants kidnapping them Coke dealers killing them the government killing them or being tied up by the neighborhood sadist for a few months. Speaking of lawsuits the coourt should just award them in 4000 dollars worth of McDonalds gift certificates that way we won't have to have them wasting oour communal air/water supply after about three months. Sorry I don't like stupid people or our modern court system for making crap like this a reality.
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Volatile replied on Tue, May 27 2008 12:28 PM

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Even if this phenomenon  is real whats the answer! This world isTechnology driven and there,s no escaping it! What the term the Worse of Two Evils! I do beleive that it does cause health problems because its not Normal to have these EMF,s passing through our bodies but it is an Infinate Reality!

 

It's not "normal" to wear clothes either, do they pose health risks as well? What these people are claiming goes against overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary. There is, however, significant evidence of widespread psychosomatic neuroses causing issues. Until they can back it up scientifically, I say they're just hypochondriacs.

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SqUiD267 replied on Tue, May 27 2008 2:52 PM
I doubt removing wifi devices will ever happen. Confine ur self to a box.

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Lev_Astov replied on Tue, May 27 2008 4:45 PM
Nobody with normal pollen allergies complains when the city plants more trees and flowers that produce pollen. Why on earth would these morons get anywhere with this?

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ice_73 replied on Wed, May 28 2008 8:35 AM
i think itd be easier if the city just got them to move, i mean the goverment can buy houses if it needs it, why not move people like that.... for the millions of people who love free wifi are getting it ruined because a few people get chest pains. while i can sympathize with them. the majority of people want wifi and are fine with it. if they ever went to nyc, theyd have a heart attack wifi everywhere. perhaps thats the test let them go to nyc and see what happens O_o

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Well its not like they live next door to a Nuclear Power plant! Where would they move its everywhere so they gng to sue everyone you, me, NOT.Hey Im allergic to Bi Polar women  but you cant Sue them and Im not doing without!

 

 

 

 

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3vi1 replied on Wed, May 28 2008 1:39 PM
Please do some research before citing that coffee case as an example of a stupid person. That's actually the case of a clumsy person and a stupid corporation.

When over 700 people file claims because you serve drinks at 185 degrees (way above normal for coffee and well above "hot"), you should probably do something about it. And, when person number 701 asks for $20k to pay for the eight days of hospital and skin grafts (probably would have killed her if she had swallowed a mouthful), you should politely settle instead of making them drag you to court where some jury is going to award $2.9million against you for habitual reckless endangerment.

Who's really stupid? The lady, or McDonalds?

Oh yeah, I agree about these people in Sante Fe though. They should let them take the city to court, do a double-blind study showing their accusations are false, then charge them for wasting the courts time.

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higgamo replied on Wed, May 28 2008 6:13 PM

 =o if they win will cell phones be later ban in that area lol cause that will be a true dead signal zone lol

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obi replied on Mon, Jun 2 2008 9:32 PM

this story is credible, some electromagnetic waves are beneficial for example diathermy, bone growth stimulator's ect, but some some are unhealthy like cell phones, radars, ect, i heard an interesting story where the military discovered microwaves in plane cockpits in ww2 could cook things when soldiers carrying candy bars on them had completely melted in their pockets in a cool environment. Electromagnetic am fm and micro waves do affect man, parts of the spectrum have an unhealthy impact. ive also heard interesting stories concerning the microwaves coming out of processors wich i tested to be true, microwave (GHZ) emitting desktop cpus with a TDP over 20 watts heats rooms and body's. Cordless phones negatively affect circulation. (inneficient cpus (over 30 watts TDP) also drain power and can cost 120$ more per year on your power bill, + they need noisy fans, and are inefficient.

without a verifiable testing its hard to conclude wether WIFI electromagnetic waves make people ill BUT there is very good evidence that many types  of electromagnetic waves exacerbate an already existing illness in the human body wether it is subclinical or not.The has also been good evidence that the electromagnetic waves from low quality crt monitors or the past definately made people sick. (mostly the non energy star ones)

anyways, i cant really say if a wifi ban is fare, but if the defendant is made to pay for lead or steel shielding plates in the paintifs home its an option.

 

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