Rumor: Intel To Put a Hex-Core On You!

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News Posted: Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:33 AM

As with all rumors, take the following with a grain of salt until we can receive official confirmation or denial from Intel.

Rumor has it that Intel has decided that we don't need to make the jump from 4 to 8 cores without anything in the middle.  Why not take an AMD-ish approach and go for three dual core CPUs on the same die and call it a Dunnington?  Here's more on the rumored Hex-Core:

"Dunnington, a Bangalore-designed successor to Harpertown, is still supposed to be relatively hush-hush but Intel has reportedly put three dual-core 45nm Penryn chips on a die the size of a postage stamp and sharing a 16MB L3 cache. Like other Penryns, Dunnington still uses a front-side bus."

While we have to say the whole thing sounds a little suspicious to us, we were also skeptical when we heard the rumor of AMD's Tri-Core Phenoms for the first time.



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mazuki replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 5:13 PM
i'm still waiting for them to make a true quad core.
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Kamrooz replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 6:41 PM

We have that at the end of 2008. This Hexaco idea is definitely interesting. If it doesn't cost a arm and a leg over quad core, you can see folders heavily picking these up =P. Same with those who need multiple cores, whether it be for video, audio, photo, or 3d...It's a interesting solution for single socket systems. =D. Hopefully the premium won't be way too high....But this will definitely stranglehold AMD even more if the performance doesn't lack =P.

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ice91785 replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:00 PM
This is a terrible idea....I mean yes it would be ok for budget shoppers and such but evidence from the Qxxx series shows that 2 dual-cores pasted together on the same die produces a TON of heat -- throw two more on the same die and I am sure it'll be a marshmellow roaster and not very overclockable w/o water.....(Granted its built around the 45nm process but still!!!)

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I'm not an expert, but that sounds like a valid point.

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Kamrooz replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:41 PM

lol. Well icer, it may be true for stock cooling. But aftermarket can definitely keep it cool enough EASILY. But obviously they would never make a product marketed towards after market. They want it to work with stock cooling...But considering that the Tjunction on a q6600 g0 is quite high, even stock cooling would be enough. Take it down to 45nm..and you DEFINITELY have room for 2 more cores with a very safe temperature. Personally I'm for this, =P...2 extra cores can't hurt for workstation users. They'd actually adopt it with open arms when you think about it, video encoding/editing, 3d rendering, audio work, etc...so many uses would benefit =D. If they do release one also, lower prices on quads, makes it harder for AMD though...I doubt prices would be lowered though, they'd just bump up the price above their quad setups to have mor processors in the 450-650 dollar range. But 6 cores is definitely not a bad thing imo =P.

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ice91785 replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:38 PM
I have a Zalman CNPS9500 cooling my Q6600 -- it still hits about ~73*C with a load (core temps); my heatsink is hitting approximately ~55-60*C. Like you say though tjunction is 100* so I have some headroom there but in comparision with my E6420 (overclocked) used to hit ~58-63*C with a load (core temps) -- 10 to 15 degrees is a LOT!

Like I said before I am sure the performance will be fine, but I don't know if it'd be for me is all -- After having my Q6600 I can wait for a true quad+ core now....

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Kamrooz replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 11:57 PM

 There is DEFINITELY something wrong with your rig. I had a q6600 G0 rig two weeks ago that I built for a family friend. I'd reset your heatsink asap with some new thermal goop. I had a tuniq tower replaced with a very low DBA scythe slipstream fan. Ambient temperature was quite cool, but I was hitting 26-29 idle, 44-46 full load @ 3 ghz. Stock speed it was around 24-26 idle, and 39-43 load. 

 You have a B3? It shouldn't be THAT bad..You really should reset your heatsink. It can't be mounted properly in regards to your temps. Too much too little thermal goop? Or it's just not flush on the heatpsreader and at an angle.

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SiGfever replied on Sun, Feb 24 2008 8:05 AM

My Q6600 "GO" runs at 45c,44,44,44 loaded 100% doing WCG (BOINC) with a  23c ambient watercooled. This is running overnight and those are morning temps with approx eight hours run time so a 45nm shrink will be a walk in the park with two extra cores.

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ice91785 replied on Sun, Feb 24 2008 4:06 PM
Believe me I have tried all of the above -- and yes unfortunately I have B3 stepping...

I think part of it to is my setup in my current bedroom -- I live in a smaller townhome so my room is kinda tiny. I only have room for it UNDER my enclosed desk next to a radiator-type heater (which i cannot turn off, Sad )... Geez I can't wait till I move...

However 46* with a load on your heatsink isn't too far off of my 53* load....I would say its more my environment than anything. STILL!! I would love to sell this guy and get a G0......

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Sounds like your system is a prime candidate for liquid cooling ice. With so many h20 experts here in the forums you should give it a shot... if you run into trouble, a thread requesting assistance will probably get plenty of attention quick!

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ice91785 replied on Sun, Feb 24 2008 5:12 PM

I always thought about it but TBH I know absolutely nothing at this point -- I would be hesitant to think about it unless I read up on it for a while

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SiGfever replied on Sun, Feb 24 2008 5:28 PM

A B3 does run a lot hotter than a G0. 

That is a very smart attitude especially with water. Do your home work and if I can be of any assistance please do not hestiate to ask. I currently have three rigs on water, it has become an addiction. LOL

 

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Kamrooz replied on Sun, Feb 24 2008 7:28 PM

lol...Water is the area where I lack experience. I made one water rig in the past for myself when I was younger, and made the mistake of buying a 300 dollar kit which was just horrid. But now-a-days it'd be a different story considering my research habbits, I'd definitely end up with something from dangerden and swifttech, but would still be open minded for other top notch brands.

But just my 2 cents, water isn't worth really going for unless you plan to spend quite a bit, a high end air cooler will easily match or perform better than a lower end water cooling setup. But yea, if you plan to go for a to the edge OC, best to go with a high quality WC rig.

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 Water cooling is the only way to go if you plan on OC'ing any multi core chips to the max. ...........Wink

 

Not all that hard to do really, and if you shop around you can get it done without breaking the bank. I haven't used a air cooler in years, so I have no idea of how they handle load temps of multi cores, but water cooling keep my little rig plenty cool when clocked to 3.6.....Wink 

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Wouldn't surprise me, considering AMD's Tri-Core.  But you know the prcies would be absurd, especially if it's before any 8-cores come out.  Intel's top CPUs are already over a grand.  Dual socket quad-cores may turn out to be cheaper and better performing.  But for single socket only mobos, every core helps for some programmes and if 6 is the best, hey go for it.  I'm not one to bad mouh more choices for the consumer.

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Kamrooz replied on Mon, Feb 25 2008 7:45 PM

Indeed, if Nehalem wasn't coming out around the corner, I'd definitely nab one of these hexacores with a WC rig if needed (I'd have to wait and see the temperature on a high end air cooler).  Damn, 6 cores, that would be a monster of an encoder if you ask me ^.^.

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SiGfever replied on Mon, Feb 25 2008 8:04 PM

 I am debating getting a Skulltrail after the prices drop some and two Xeons for crunching. Talk about fun, watercooling it would be a great journey.

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methious replied on Mon, Feb 25 2008 10:56 PM

 I be glad to see a Hex core out there, quads would probably drop in price.

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Kamrooz replied on Tue, Feb 26 2008 5:42 AM

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 I be glad to see a Hex core out there, quads would probably drop in price.

 

I doubt quads would drop, they would just raise the price of these hexas an additional 150-200. The quads are already insanely cheap...When yorkfield comes out, the q6600 will be around 200.  

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All part of the tick-tock strategy, they make the dual core, then revise it as they wish, including the pasting together of multiple dual cores. Next we'll see a native quad-core (with memory controller if it goes well), and they can paste multiples of those together!

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Kamrooz replied on Tue, Feb 26 2008 7:45 PM

Indeed. I'd definitely nab an octal core if I was to pick up a system. Considering I use many multithreaded applications, it would be a dream =D. I personally can not wait to see Nehalem numbers, it's going to be a monster ^.^

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SiGfever replied on Tue, Feb 26 2008 8:25 PM

 Imagine a Skulltrail Nehalem. Cool

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Kamrooz replied on Tue, Feb 26 2008 8:57 PM

That would be compelte overkill, we will see it thogh in workstation dual socket boards...But as a skulltrail system that would be too much...lol. Plus, they'd have to remake the board with a new socket/chipset also =P..so I don't see it happening. 

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SiGfever replied on Wed, Feb 27 2008 3:30 PM

Overkill? Is there such a thing? LOL I was speaking of a Skulltrail type board made for the new pin sets. 

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SiGfever:
Overkill? Is there such a thing?

In regards to computing power and PC tech... not in my world!

 

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Kamrooz replied on Wed, Feb 27 2008 8:51 PM

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SiGfever:
Overkill? Is there such a thing?

In regards to computing power and PC tech... not in my world!

 

 

lol...more powa is a good thing. Although I'd personally consider Skulltrail overkill =P...lol... 

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