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News Posted: Fri, Feb 8 2008 6:07 PM

Word has reached us that Dell is cutting back some of their AMD-powered offerings, at least on their web site:

“The big computer company said it still plans to keep selling the AMD-based machines in retail stores and over the phone and is still using its Web site to sell AMD-powered machines for business users. But Dell's shift is nevertheless seen as negative for AMD, which took years to convince Dell to modify its longtime strategy of using ...”

It took Dell a very long time to agree to sell AMD machines, and sadly by the time they finally agreed to do so Intel was readying the Core CPUs.  Considering that the performance (and demand amongst some high-end crowds) change every few CPU generations, we can't help but wondering if AMD will be back on Dell's consumer web site.



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Kamrooz replied on Fri, Feb 22 2008 12:03 AM

True, but they are planning to release the tricores first via Dell ^_^. But we'll have to see how it all unfolds. Personally, I think the performanec will be mediocre, but atleast it offers consumers an additional core compared to their x2 lines for a great price. ^_^ 

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Kamrooz:
I think the performanec will be mediocre

I think you're right.

 

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Kamrooz replied on Fri, Feb 22 2008 1:00 AM

 Yea...But we may be surprised, or maybe not. I'm not sure of the policy here for posting links to other forums. But this is a good read.

 http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/248265-28-phenom-exposed-shipping-flaky-cores

If it turns out to be true, and they can just disable the faulty core for their tricore products, it might slightly turn things around a bit. But ATM, I'm expecting mediocre performance. The fault lies with the Phenom/Barcelona architecture, even the x2's can outperform the barcelona architecture in certain cases.....That to me is unacceptable Super Angry  =P.

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methious replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 7:49 PM

I'd like to see the tri cores and the price point,  I'm not sure I'd want one in my system given it's a failed Quad core with one core disabled.  When I went with my X2 6400 it out performs any of the Phenoms running at stock, most overclocked.  Unless their running them against sound or video encoding multi core enabled programs.  Which I don't do enough to justify the current Phenoms. 

 

I'm on a wait and see time line with the Phenoms, if the new B3 revision isn't any better I'll be waiting some more.  Given the amount I was underwhelmed by their performance I'm for the first time in years considering Intel. 

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Kamrooz replied on Sat, Feb 23 2008 8:49 PM

methious:

I'm on a wait and see time line with the Phenoms, if the new B3 revision isn't any better I'll be waiting some more.  Given the amount I was underwhelmed by their performance I'm for the first time in years considering Intel. 

 

Mwhahahah...Welcome to the dark side =P. I honesty doubt B3 will do much, they just bit off too much with native quad at 65nm on a SOI process. But I'd love to see B3 turn it around for AMD. Competition in the x86 market means lower prices, and more innovation. But considering the fumble AMD has made with the delays, promises, and actual release of Barcelona/Phenom, on to current times where we see the same thing...I doubt B3 will be a big change. 

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Too bad Dell only recently switched to AMD anyway.  Customers were stuck with Pentium 4s back in the days when AMD was better.  By the time they accept AMD CPUs, Intel was back on the rise with Core 2.

I still say AMD is a good choice for the right price. $95 6000+ BE ain't nothing to laugh at for a budget builder.

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Kamrooz replied on Mon, Feb 25 2008 7:56 PM

 95 for a 6000 BE? I think you mean 5000...The 6000 goes around for about 150 or so.

But honestly, if you don't OC...No point in a BE...But if you do oc, no point in going amd, even the low budget intel processors are oc'ing monsters. 

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Yes, typo.

 

Yeah, it's really hard to justify AMD purchases for new build now.  Though somone got one of the $60 AMD dual-cores on my recommendation because he doesn't overclock too much and they were much cheaper than the Intel equivalent back in Dec.

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Kamrooz replied on Tue, Feb 26 2008 5:44 AM

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Yes, typo.

 

Yeah, it's really hard to justify AMD purchases for new build now.  Though somone got one of the $60 AMD dual-cores on my recommendation because he doesn't overclock too much and they were much cheaper than the Intel equivalent back in Dec.

 

ATM, that's all I recommend AMD for. Low budget based solutions that aren't going to be OC'ed. Cause if you plan to oc....It'd be insane to go with AMD, you can take a 70 dollar Allendale and get it up to around 3.0-3.2 ghz... 

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methious replied on Wed, Feb 27 2008 3:02 PM

Yea Intels got the OC advantage of all time, I ended up wanting to upgrade my whole rig at once, water cool, new full tower, nice ram, so I went AMD to get the budget right.  Now I have a good setup for my switch to Intel.  Nice thing though is that reselling a high end AMD Dual Core it's hard to loose money on the deal.  

 

It's a wierd time to be thinking upgrade though.  Intels going with a new cpu socket configuration at the first of next year.  So if I go Q6600, or E8400 now I'd be setting on a dying socket platform.  Hard decision.

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I think a Wolfdale or Yorkfield cpu OC'ed to somewhere near 4ghz will go a long way actually... just my 2 cents!

Crysis is further evidence that the GFX sub-system usually has a greater impact on performance than the cpu(given the cpu is at least a decent/current 1). For example if you had a Nehalem cpu and lets say a stock E8400 both running DDR3 and the same GFX card(s), I'd guess that the performance delta would be fairly small. I could be wrong, but that's my guess for now.

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Kamrooz replied on Wed, Feb 27 2008 8:55 PM

 Well there would be a bigger difference then you'd think. Nehalem will be running a IMC...so it's not as limited as the FSB architecture. Plus it will be running in tripple channel instead of dual channel. With the IMC, you'd actually see more of a benefit with faster modules.

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