I've been doing a lot of reading, and trying my best to get some of my local computer dealer friends to put my in touch w/people who have demo chips, but no dice

Anyhow - here's some interesting things:

AMD has traditionally had some poor cache bandwidth performance in the bandwidth department anyhow. Having a three level cache could allow AMD to make L1 a lot lower latency, but limited BW, then l2 a bit more latency for a lot more BW, and more latency, more BW for l3...but being able to read from 3 levels at once could give a GREAT balance of speed and BW....

might be interesting.

Intel seems to have more cache up it's sleeve.

AMD is claiming a 40% performance boost over intel, and doing it w/lower clock speeds. It'll be interesting to see how or if they accomplish this.

"AMD is claiming a 40% performance boost over intel, and doing it w/lower clock speeds. It'll be interesting to see how or if they accomplish this."

Silent I wouldn't be surprise if is true, I never had a doubt on AMD, they always have taken their time to do things right. I also had read a lot of about the "AMD quadcore"
and just by thinking that you could have 8 cores, (2FX or 2 Opteron each Quad) that is awesome all by itself.

My experience is that when any company makes big claims like this, 9 out of 10 times they mean in one specific bench. My guess is AMD might mean to pit two quad cores (new FX style board) against a single quad core, and this 40% might be in heavily threaded benches...but I dunno that for sure.

amd are following what intel did with their core2duo's...its quite simple. It occured to all of us that more cache = better porformance. Clock speeds really wasnt that bigger thing as the e6300 has clearly shown.. 1mb of extra cache, allowed the card to storm over amd's 4600 series.. and when overclocked.. could outperform even the 5000 series. i guess amd is using the same principle. If you have a large amount of cache, your going to get a hell of a performance gain... But with this move, comes huge prices, just like intel... the cpu's will be very expensive... even so... the barcelona's will sell like hot cakes... especially thoughs whom have 8 series graphics cards... the amd quad core will be a perfect cpu to enter the direct x 10 age... unfortunatly for intel... the later release of their rival quad core will be too late... after all... why would you wait any longer for a quad core which will be along the same price, and maybe just equaling in performance?

I have been following this for a bit. AMD expects to take the lead for short time, Intel to take the lead back, and then to take a large lead over Intel. At least thats what it said on a chart that I saw.

arkeneaver there is a lot more to it then just increasing caches. Please read the article that I link to in this thread:

http://www.hothardware.com/for...6289&enterthread=y

yer i know theres more too it then more cache. The whole idea of creating three levels of cache rather then 2. Sharing memory between the cores for more efficiancy, but thats all going after more cache. AMD have stated that the L3 cache can be enlarged if needed, so that opens up a whole lot of doors.

I have already read the hothardware artical on barcelona... but to be honest its not that good... Firing Squad has a better review, which was done only a few days ago.

AMD will have the lead for about 4 months. But i dont think intel will gain much performance advantage with their equivelant quad core released early next year.

I dislike intels approach to quad-cores.. I do not think sticking two dual core processors together is worthy of being named a quad-core. AMD are using 4 independant cores so each core can complete different tasks, but can also power down if they are not needed, i think it gives 80% more power efficiancy.

Do you think you could provide a link to that review, the Firing Squad one?

http://www.behardware.com/html/news/imprimer_all_news.php3?date=17-03-2007

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2093727,00.asp

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7632/53/

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38322

http://www.embedded-computing.com/news/db/?5380

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2099613,00.asp



Heres a few reviews i have read over the AMD quad core. I might have mistaken the extremetec review as firing squad.. sorry about that... I have been reading alot of reviews lately about the 8900 series.. barcelona and the r600... its difficult to keep track of the web sites.

Be sure to read the 13 page presentation... it gives you alot of information

Cool, Thanks. I actually was looking on firing squad, and couldn't find it, and thats why I asked. I always enjoy reading up on new AMD tech. I like AMD, their an underdog.

o right lol...


amd are awsome... btw... stupid question i know but will an ATI card work with a nvidia chipset... ive never actually token this into consideration because ive never had too... always stuck with nivdia graphics cards...