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Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

AKwyn — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:26:25 GMT

Wheatley:
"Exactly the (my) Point"

Really. If was the (or your) point then you wouldn't be expecting a fantasy increase of 15-20%.

Wheatley:
"Thats the Hype"

No, that's the confidence. AMD is certain they have a processor that can match Intel's processor's by a small margin and they're making these moves to show AMD's consumers that this is their time, that they've hit their stride. The hype is a byproduct of the stuff they've seen and the expectations they've created based on what they've seen; I mean we've already seen some of how Bulldozer performs right, and we've already seen AMD's recent work ethic in both their APU's and their graphics cards, therefore are expectations for the Bulldozer processor make up the hype.

Apparently what Intel is doing is working based on the confidence that AMD has shown and the hype that Bulldozer has shown. I mean they have some numbers but as you said, they don't know the entire picture. Therefore they had to take a chance, they're a competitor, they'd be worried if they're losing market share to AMD based on Bulldozer's success; and sure, they might have alot of options available if Bulldozer turns out to be more then they bargained for as reilneil said but if Bulldozer is successful then Intel is going to get undercut here... and Intel does not want to get undercut.

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

OptimusPrimeTime — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:34:12 GMT

HarryHenderson:
The hype can go either way

"Exactly the (my) Point"

HarryHenderson:
. I mean why else would they reintroduce the FX brand back to the masses? That suggests that AMD has a processor that is capable of matching or slightly edging out Intel

"Thats the Hype"

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

realneil — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:59:56 GMT

eunoia:
Probably a Stratocaster

Casting About? Fancastic!

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

AKwyn — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:54:56 GMT

Wheatley:
"For people who have not bought a new PC in while and are looking to make an investment that will last them years, its very important, The Hype will turn into results very soon enough."

Hype does not equal results, development equials results. The hype can go either way, I mean just look at the Pentium D processor; it was hyped to hell and it turned out to be a disappointment on so many levels... Leaving AMD to gain a small share of the processor market at Intel's expense. What went wrong? The deveolpment, Intel thought they could tap out their NetBurst architecture with this series of dual core processors but they proved themselves wrong.

Now depending on the moves AMD is making, they're really confident in Bulldozer. I mean why else would they reintroduce the FX brand back to the masses? That suggests that AMD has a processor that is capable of matching or slightly edging out Intel and with the way they're not focusing primarily on x86 performance and using multiple tasks while playing a graphics intensive game kinda means that AMD has a point to what they're saying, but I'm still remaining modest in my expectations; though regular people will find more of a plus in Bulldozer with the multitasking capabilities.

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

eunoia — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:10:53 GMT

Probably a Stratocaster.

RE: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

jonation — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:51:31 GMT

Bulldozer! Finally. I second CDeeter. Great cast.

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

rrplay — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:33:18 GMT

realneil:

I would bet that Intel has preplanned strategies just waiting in the wings to respond to whatever ....

just like Intel quietly preparing the i7 2700k ..maybe a short -term wedge ?

Any official HH news and insights about the 2700k at this time ?

Thanks HH team for fixing the 'page load timeout' 'cuz tweaks 4 geeks are a good thing

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

realneil — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:01:13 GMT

OptimusPrimeTime:
I think those number, if they are real, are most likely wholesale or per 1000 units like Intel does

They were reported as being on a retail sales site at that amount per unit. I saw it on ZDNET.

OptimusPrimeTime:
Desperation might too strong of a word,

I would bet that Intel has preplanned strategies just waiting in the wings to respond to whatever threat Bulldozer turns out to be to them. They can drop prices on current CPU's, and they can also release new products a little early to counter whatever AMD does.

Don't doubt that the BORG is not prepared.

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

OptimusPrimeTime — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 00:42:28 GMT

HarryHenderson:
I don't think it's a sign of desperation; I mean Intel has no idea how Bulldozer will perform exactly like the rest of us and so it's taken a chance and lifted the NDA early just so it can get some of Bulldozer's buzz away from them and towards Sandy Bridge-E; I mean have you seen the interwebs, Bulldozer is on fire!

"Dude, read your comment, that's in a sense what I commented. Desperation might too strong of a word, but worrisome on behalf of Intel is surely. Intel already knows the performance of Bulldozer Zambezi already ,weeks ago. Interlagos, maybe , if in fact AMD had shipped them to OEMs. Interlagos , from what little I know, is the same as Zambezi, but with twice the cores or integers."

HarryHenderson:
I mean sure, AMD or Intel may be coming out with the most powerful processors ever but I'm not sure if I want to buy into the hype.

'"For people who have not bought a new PC in while and are looking to make an investment that will last them years, its very important, The Hype will turn into results very soon enough."

realneil:

As for a price,.....did you see this?

"Yeah, I think those number, if they are real, are most likely wholesale or per 1000 units like Intel does"

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

realneil — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 22:16:32 GMT

TaylorKarras:
I'm not with any side at the moment (both AMD or Intel). As I said before, I'm just going to wait for the reviews

And that's the smart move. Let the guys with lots of money dance along the leading edge (the bleeding edge) first. Let them find any problems that crop up. Heck,....HotHardware can test it out for us as I see it. I trust their judgement too.

My expectations are not too huge for Bulldozer. The way I see it, all it has to do is be in the Sandy Bridge ballpark as far as performance goes and that will be good enough for me. (as long as it's price is minimal)

We still have to see actual performance figures, and we also have to see where it's all priced at before we can decide what to do.

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As for a price,.....did you see this?

Re: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

AKwyn — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:50:44 GMT

Wheatley:
Things are heating up in the Chip business. Those Bulldozer processor are really worrying Intel. Just today Toms released the Sandy Bridge-E Core i7-3960X Benchmarks along with The X79 Mobo and Quad channel memory.

I don't think it's a sign of desperation; I mean Intel has no idea how Bulldozer will perform exactly like the rest of us and so it's taken a chance and lifted the NDA early just so it can get some of Bulldozer's buzz away from them and towards Sandy Bridge-E; I mean have you seen the interwebs, Bulldozer is on fire!

I'm not with any side at the moment (both AMD or Intel). As I said before, I'm just going to wait for the reviews before making up my purchase, no matter how awesome the technology is. I mean sure, AMD or Intel may be coming out with the most powerful processors ever but I'm not sure if I want to buy into the hype.

RE: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

Inspector — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:45:12 GMT

i'll take one of those 16 core chips plz :D. so much fun every time u guys make a video :D

RE: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

CDeeter — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:33:29 GMT

Sounds like Tuesday or Wednesday we should start to see real numbers for Bulldozer. YEA!

RE: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

CDeeter — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:31:47 GMT

LOL Beat it with a stick.

Really enjoying the banter between the three of you. Makes it feel more real, and not just some guys droning about stuff. Keep up the great job!

RE: 34: HotHardware's Two and A Half Geeks Webcast - Sept. 12 2011

CDeeter — Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:29:05 GMT

Thanks, as always you guys are on top of things!