Need help deciding between Lenovo and Mac . . .

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CEspy Posted: Mon, Jan 2 2012 7:09 AM

I am deciding between Lenovo Y470 and MacBook Pro - I don't know which is faster, better. I know the mac won't get viruses , but from what I've read online the mac isn't as reliable these days.  http://hothardware.com/News/ASUS-More-Reliable-Than-Apple-But-Lenovo-Bests-Them-All-/  
 I like the Lenovo bcuz of its capability of having both the SSD and the SATTA drives together at same time! making it faster (if I understand that correctly.) But I've always heard that macs are best.  Well here's the spec's maybe someone can help me understand better . . .


13 inch MacBook Pro
    * 2.8GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7
    * 8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB
    * 512GB Solid State Drive
    * SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    * Backlit Keyboard

versus

Lenovo IdeaPad Y470:
-2nd Gen Core i7, Intel i7-2670QM / 2.2 GHz ( 3.1 GHz ) 6MB, L3 Cache (Quad-Core ), DOS
-8 GB DDR3 SDRAM (1 X 4096),
-SATA HDD 750 GB - Serial ATA-300 - 540 Layer0 rpm,
-NVIDIA GeForce GT 550M DDR3 2 GB
- Dual layer multiburner Drive (DVD-RW)
-14.1 WXGA LED, Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Edition,
-Camera Built-in 2.0MP
- 4.9 lbs.

in order to compete with this do I have to go to the Mac with these specs . . .

    * 2.4GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7
    * 8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB
    * 512GB Solid State Drive
    * SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
    * MacBook Pro 15-inch Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display
    * Backlit Keyboard

thx for any input!

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CEspy:
I know the mac won't get viruses

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Macs can get viruses, but not as many are ~written~ for that OS. That makes it seem that they're less affected by viruses.

My recommendation depends on your usage patterns. If you plan to do any gaming, don't get the Macs.

Otherwise, get the third system quoted. It's a man eater for performance and you'll end up in love with it.

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CEspy replied on Mon, Jan 2 2012 11:46 PM

Sorry here's more details . . . I am wanting a computer mostly for web browsing little bit of gaming, and lots of movie downloading/watching, and picture/movie editing and similar activities.

I like the Lenovo, (it's in my price range of $1,000 to $1,200)and from what I can tell (and trying to learn) it is fast, it has the capability of having both the SATA drive and SSD drive, and the i7 is a quad and etc, my hold up is VIRUS'S!! (I have had a lot of bad dealings with them on my current computer - I download A LOT) and live over seas!

So I considered a mac, my problem there is cost versus speed!!! I have never had a mac and I'm not familiar with trying to match up the specs of the mac to try to make it as fast, and of course still trying to keep it in my price range (which the last one on the page is NOT)

So my main questions are, is the Lenovo over kill for what I need it for, (though I do REALLY REALLY want extra storage and power so I can keep this computer for about 5 years) and should I sacrifice the extra speed for security (ie going for the first mac on that list) and if so, how much of a sacrifice is that exactly???
thx for any help you can give!!!

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AKwyn replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 4:16 AM

Hi. Both are good in my opinion but I'd tip my hat to the Levono. Don't get me wrong, Apple's are good and they are reliable but there isn't much of an incentive to go with it unless you really like the interface, the fanciness of the machines and the brand. Levono machines are usually as powerful and are even better then their Apple counterparts; and can even offer the same amount of technical support. I have an IBM ThinkPad and even though it's not a Levono machine, they did sell their computing division to them and newer ThinkPads have been as good as their predecessors so your fears of shoddyness will be put to rest.

Some other things... A solid state drive would be nice (for both speed and power consumption) but unless you got one with a good warranty I wouldn't exactly have my computer equipped with it. I still have fears about reliability (any data on the SSD is lost forever if your SSD decides to die on you; due to the limited write cycles these things have. If you want an SSD be sure to backup frequently, more frequently then you would if you had an HDD.) but hey, it's up to you.

A backlit keyboard really isn't essential, it'd be nice to have but unless you do much of your work in the dark, it isn't essential. It's even less essential if you know how to instinctively use a keyboard...

The DVD-RW drive may be equal to what the MacBook Pro has; so I don't know if there'd be an advantage if you use the Mac or the Levono.

The displays on the Macs are usually good but Levono's been known to have good displays as well.

My opinion would go to the Levono but I will say that you have two good choices on your hands. It's just my opinion, the choice is up to you.

 

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CEspy replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 10:25 AM

Taylor-  you say that you have fears about the reliability of the SSD drives. Is there a difference between the reliability  between the 2 computers since the Mac would come with it installed already,  and that would be the only drive; where as the Lenovo would have both the SATA and the SSD drives?(and the SSD would be added after the fact).

Also  wouldn't it be wise to lean toward a Mac to feel more safe about viruses?

One more thing, What about length of time, which would last more years?

thx again for your time!!! Apprct it!

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 10:37 AM

CEspy:
my hold up is VIRUS'S!! (I have had a lot of bad dealings with them on my current computer - I download A LOT) and live over seas!

No antivirus program on any platform is full proof. Nothing can catch every virus every time.

That said, I have had excellent results with a (FREE) antivirus program called AVAST

I have 7 windows computers total, here in this house, and have not been successfully infiltrated by a virus in many years. This can be attributed to my antivirus program, and my safe surfing habits. (I stay away from porn and warez sites)

I also use (FREE) OpenDNS. Their DNS servers work in conjunction with my antivirus to help keep my PC's safe. OpenDNS blocks access to certain sites known to be malicious, and you can customize what it blocks as well. OpenDNS also speeds up your internet experience by taking you to sites much faster.

Malwarebytes Anti-Malware is a good program for finding junk that's ~already on~ your PC and removing it,.......just like Spybot Search And Destroy is. I use both of them on every PC I own.

The quality of the PC you end up buying has nothing to do with whether on not you'll get viruses. But the programs that I've recommended will clean your PC from infections & protect you as you surf, even on the PC you have now.

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CEspy replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 11:00 AM

thank you so much for that awesome info!! I am going to look into that ASAP for my current computer (if it's not too late lol) (this things about had it) - I must admit, living overseas there are a lot of differences such as it is not illegal to download movies, so that is something that I do often and therefore I am afraid that that might be one of the "malicious sights"  that you were referring to- that the anti virus helps block out!!. So I will try this, I still don't know which laptop I am going to get, but I am def going to have to be more careful with virus's and that's one of the reason's why I was considering the Mac.  ty again for your help.

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 11:26 AM

CEspy:
thank you so much

You are welcome. The people here at HotHardware are always ready to lend a hand. Thanks for your input too Taylor.

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realneil replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 12:10 PM

CEspy:
One more thing, What about length of time, which would last more years?

You can pay extra and buy a 5 year long warranty along with the Mac. (you have to get it when you buy the mac)

SSD drives are a ~whole lot faster~ than traditional drives, and their reliability factor is going up all of the time.I have several of them now and have had no problems with any of them yet.

You could purchase an external drive for backup and storage purposes too. OS-X has a great backup feature called Time Machine. It works quite well.

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AKwyn replied on Tue, Jan 3 2012 8:44 PM

CEspy:
Taylor-  you say that you have fears about the reliability of the SSD drives. Is there a difference between the reliability  between the 2 computers since the Mac would come with it installed already,

No. The only difference you should look for is what kind of SSD they're putting into the system. Apple may or may not make their own SSD's and Levono may have SSD's supplied from another company. Both of them may use different memory chips that may either perform better or worse in certain situations (and even last longer if the memory chips are really, really good.) You should really ask the companies personally to see which SSD's they put in their system and whether or not an SSD is covered by a seperate warranty (due to the reliability issues; most SSD's are made using MLC, which is limited in the number of writes it can perform before it fails (10,000 if memory serves me correctly.). SLC however allows for 100,000 writes (or more) and was the faster of the two before the gap was closed, the SLC in my opinion is the most reliable and the reasonable choice if you wanted to make a system with an SSD as a primary drive. However it is super expensive; MLC's have become as reliable as their SLC counterparts but even with all the TRIMming and the wear leveling and the garbage collection, there is still going to be the eventuality that the SSD will fail (either prematurely or of natural causes.) and because of the fear that it'll fail and take your investment with you; you gotta make sure that these SSD's are covered. Same goes to manufactures who make these things to place in one's own computer.

CEspy:
Also  wouldn't it be wise to lean toward a Mac to feel more safe about viruses?

It wouldn't be wise. Sure Mac's are more secure but that's mainly because barely any viruses are written for it; while Lion has improved security, it's still got a ways to go before it can become Windows secure and even then, an Anti-Virus will help on any system, even if it's Linux. Just because your platform is obscure (and becoming more well known) doesn't mean there isn't a market out there for viruses.

CEspy:
One more thing, What about length of time, which would last more years?

Both would last about the same, though it should be the warranties you should be focusing on.

 

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CEspy replied on Thu, Jan 5 2012 4:51 AM

thank you so much for that awesome info!! I am going to look into that ASAP for my current computer (if it's not too late lol) (this things about had it) - I must admit, living overseas there are a lot of differences such as it is not illegal to download movies, so that is something that I do often and therefore I am afraid that that might be one of the "malicious sights"  that you were referring to- that the anti virus helps block out!!. So I will try this, I still don't know which laptop I am going to get, but I am def going to have to be more careful with virus's and that's one of the reason's why I was considering the Mac.  ty again for your help.

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