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TVFREAKAZOID Posted: Mon, Nov 21 2011 3:50 AM

I was looking to build a new pc some where in the 1k to 1500 range. But in another forum people said it might be good to hold off cause of next gen GPU and cpu's that are coming out. This will drop the price on the previous GPU and CPU which could save me some money. 

I want to FUTURE PROOF my rig as long as possible. I do game but not a hard core gamer. Also i want to be able to OC if need be, but it's been a while since I messed around with pc's. I knew some things here and there but generally i'm a newb when it comes to PC's. So i would like some suggests on a new build.

Also AMD or intel? I know intel is doing better than AMD but AMD is cheaper.

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A new case

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LIQUID COOLING Someone said it's not worth it cause it's pricey. This is what he said"On sealed WC units, I'm not kidding. Sealed WC does not equal custom WC, not by a long shot. They're cheaply made with generic case fans that are fairly loud. I have an H50, and am running it in push pull. I didn't like the performance I was getting so I talked Corsair into sending me two A70 fans. They were mostly just louder. WC is not a simple science. You can't just have someone make a nifty little pump/reservoir head and slap any old fans on a rad with tightly packed fins and expect to get stellar temps. It takes a couple fans with high static pressure to do it right. A quiet high static pressure fan, like the Scythe Gentle Typhoons, cost around $16 each. I really feel you're better off with a Silver Arrow. It would be quieter, easier to clean, and more durable, and it can easily compete temp wise with even the 240 rad H100 sealed WC unit that costs way more.


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eunoia replied on Mon, Nov 21 2011 1:39 PM

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My first question would be what types of games do you currently play and what games are you looking forward to play.?

 

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AKwyn replied on Mon, Nov 21 2011 6:28 PM

I think eunoia already said what I wanted to say...

I will say that future proofing if you're not a hardcore gamer is not worth it... I'm saying this because for what you do then the extra power will go unused... If you do want to futureproof then the latest generation of video cards (28nm) is just around the corner and supposedly, offer better performance then the current generation of video cards, everything else eunoia said will suffice; just wait on the video cards.

 

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OK I think i should of been a little more clearer when i stated "future proofing".

I guess what i'm trying to say is that i  want a cpu or and mobo that is the latest or most current gen as possible but with out breaking the bank. I don't want to get something now then a months later something newer will be out. But...i know something that i get now there will be a newer and better stuff.  Hope i explained a little better. I understand something better will come out it's just that i don't want it to be so close together.

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What is your thought on AMD? I ask because it's seems pretty cheap and bang for your buck.

Also isn't the LGA 1155 being fazed out when the new Ivy bridge hits? I got this from another forum.

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eunoia replied on Wed, Nov 23 2011 8:01 PM

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Thanks guys. U guys been a lot of help.

If i have anymore questions i will sure to ask them.

I saw a link someone had regarding BF deals that hothardware has on their website.  I can't seem to find it.

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G.SKILL RIPSAW X series. Are they worth it? Maybe i can piece together slowly build until i'm ready to fully commit. Can they be bought for cheaper? Or are they better memory for the price?

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it looks like solid stuff

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eunoia replied on Thu, Nov 24 2011 4:14 PM

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just different heat spreaders, So they put two different names on them... stupid I know but that how it goes. 

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WOW REALLY!!! Why do they do that???

If you had to choose which one would you go for?

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AKwyn replied on Sat, Nov 26 2011 8:40 AM

My guess... Well it'd be the ripjaws mainly for the design... Not sure about the sniper but the ripjaws look like they could dissipate some massive heat.

 

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Ok i think i'm ready to buy some of the parts. I think i would like to wait on the CPU and mobo or at least the cpu. I would like to wait and see what intel or maybe even amd may come out in the coming next 2 to 3 months.


What are your thoughts on AMD cpu? I know they are not on par with intel but for the price it's hard to beat. Plus they came out with there FX series and sure they can be OCed and what not. I'm just curious on your thoughts about amd and if anyone else wants to chime in.


The reason why i ask is i'm looking at the AMD cpu cause of it's cost.

But maybe you can start recommending me case (water cooling ready), cooling (looking into closed loop water cooling), memory, psu, vid card, SSD or HD or even a mobo if need be. Like i said before i would like to have the latest features or "future proof" as possible. But if i do find a good deal on a cpu i may not past it up so who knows.

Good idea to start some of the build? But like i said if i find good deals on a cpu and may just go ahead and buy all the stuff.

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AKwyn replied on Thu, Dec 8 2011 12:31 PM

My opinion... AMD CPU's are good for the price but the older Phenom and Athlon CPU's are severely out of date, even when overclocked. The Bulldozer series is an admirable performer but you'd be best to wait for the next iteration of Bulldozer as that'll work better due to improved performance and that'll provide more bang for the buck. But If you have to go with an AMD processor; go with either the FX-8150 or the Phenom 6 core processor Black Edition; sure Bulldozer may be underwhelming but I feel like those two CPU's are the best choices if you want to go AMD.

As for the case; I don't think you need something ready for water cooling as closed loop doesn't involve any custom designs; just a single cooler like the H70; however, if you do want a water cooling case I could recommend the Corsair Obsidian as it looks like it could be suitable for your water cooling needs.

Video cards, I would just wait for the next generation. The 28mms are around the corner and they offer to be more futureproof then the last generation.

Memory, PSU; I'd go with Corsair due to the quality of the brand and the quality of the customer support.

SSD: OCZ all of the way.

I don't know what motherboard I can reccomend you since you haven't chosen Intel or AMD yet but I can reccommend the brands ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock.

 

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Yea i think i'm looking into going water cooling.

When do you expect the next gen bulldozer  and Vid cards to come out? Since i'm looking more toward the AMD line what type of mobo i should go with?

I'm looking into getting the AMD processor cause cause wise it's cheaper and i think it will suite me well. Besides i can always OC if i need a little more juice.

I've heard some people and my buddy had issues with SSD ocz drives. Some had incompatibility issues and OCZ customer services is horrible.

I finally got my amazon gift cards and i'm ready to start buying some parts for the my new pc build.  I would be willing to wait for the next gen or updated vid cards and AMD chips.

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realneil replied on Mon, Dec 12 2011 11:26 AM

eunoia:
Remember, it's just online opinion, read more than one if you want to get to your cosmic truth.

Oh, hell yeah!

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the next Vid cards will prob be out in Q1 of 12. You could wait but there will always be something else on the horizon to wait for. 

As far as water cooling I suggest looking into the closed loop systems and not a custom system. While the custom systems are nice, I have one, they are also quite expensive and and not a beginner task to get set up.

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I'm on other forums as well but so far no one has responded just yet. You guys are the only ones so far.

I don't plan on doing custom water cooling. NO way and i'm a newb.

Closed water loop, the liquid doesn't have to be refilled correct? What are the chances of that stuff leaking?

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AKwyn replied on Wed, Dec 14 2011 3:01 AM

No refilling is needed.

Chances of leaking is rare but it can happen, especially if the unit is defective. To be sure, make use you handle the unit with care and if you see anything wrong with your computer or smell something burning then you should immediately power off everything, unplug everything from the computer (including the CMOS battery) and analyze to see if you see any wetspots forming around the area. If you do, remove the offending unit and let the thing dry for about a week (or two if your paranoid.) and after that, install the stock cooler and check to see if the computer is still working; if it's working, you should be fine. If not then you should panic (panic even further if the motherboard's damage is not covered in the warranty.)

After you proved the computer is working, send that unit back for a possible replacement if they allow it. You may be denied or accepted depending on whether or not the cause is user-inflicted or the result of a defective unit. If denied, then you should try to argue your case and if it doesn't work out for you then well, you're out a bunch of money but if it is accepted then just sit back and wait for the unit to arrive.

I know that it may be a bit unnecessary to tell you what to do for something that hasn't happened yet but there is a chance it may happen and in that case you'll want to be prepared for when that happens. Again, even though the chances that it'll happen is rare; it may happen.

 

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I'm curious to know if AMD mobo's have PCI-E 3 capability?

If so which brand?

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AKwyn replied on Wed, Dec 21 2011 10:19 AM

A quick Google search shows that PCI-E 3.0 functionality on AMD motherboard aren't avaliable at the moment; however that same search also speculates that the functionality may be available next year, though it's unlikely as reports (from November) show that current AMD chipsets don't have PCI-E 3.0 functionality.

 

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realneil replied on Wed, Dec 21 2011 12:37 PM

Taylor is right, no PCI-E 3.0 on AMD boards until the next chipset is released, Q2 next year.
As for the closed loop coolers, I've had 6 of them total and none have ever leaked. The hoses on them are very tough and they are sealed quite well. As long as you don't physically abuse them, they'll be fine. I still have 4 of those units now, one is a Corsair H50, 2 are Corsair H60's, and the last one is the AMD-FX Water Cooler for Bulldozer CPU's.
All of them are quiet running and they do a fine job of cooling the CPU's too.

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I'll guess i may go with intel since they are PCI-E 3 ready. Well i need to start buying some of my stuff for my build. It's a pain in the but cause not sure which type of cases, mem, mobo and the other stuff.

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HOw long have you had the closed loop coolers? Do they work well? Are they fairly quite?

I've read that enermax has gotten into cpu cooling air/water cooling. Any ideas how good they are compared to Corsair and other brands?

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realneil replied on Sat, Dec 24 2011 5:31 PM

I've used Corsair Water Coolers, Asetek Water Coolers, and I have one by AMD that is just for AMD CPU's.

All do a fine job and they're mostly quiet. I usually buy quieter aftermarket fans that move a higher volume of air through the radiator. I put a fan on each side of the radiator in a push/pull configuration so it will work better. I set them to exhaust the hot air out of the case to the rear.

Here is some pictures to show you what I mean.

Note that I'm using SeaSonic brand Power Supply Units in both of them. It's a great brand of PSU to get.

Also, note the extra fans on top, removing hot air up, and out of the case. This seems to work well for me.


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Cool set up.

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You upgrade your babies very often realneil don't you :-p

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realneil replied on Sat, Jan 21 2012 11:38 AM

I like building PC's. I like to tinker around with them. I'm fairly good at it too.

But I use OPM to do most of it.

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What is OPM? sorry my english vocabulary is limited.

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realneil replied on Sun, Jan 22 2012 1:36 PM

OPM is Other People's Money. Smile

I do some, (just a little) computer work to finance my PC upgrades. I'm retired, and sadly, my income will never go up, it stays the same.

Inflation causes the cost of everything to always go up, so I end up making less as time goes on. So to be able to afford my toys, I do some work on the side. OPM.

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