This is why I'm stupid.

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3vi1 Posted: Fri, Oct 15 2010 7:57 PM

I was just commenting less than a week ago about how great (K)Ubuntu 10.10 is.  It's perfectly stable on my system and does everything I need.

That's the problem.  I've never cared as much about "stable" as I have "new and shiny".  In fact, the only time I've ever gone in the other direction was WinME.  I almost love problems; Anything so new that I can't Google for a simple answer and therefore have to figure it out for myself is like some kind of idiotic masochistic delight.

That's why, when I saw the news that the Natty Narwhal 11.04 repos are open, I decided to jump on that pre-alpha train.

  cpp-4.5 gcc-4.5 libcloog-ppl0 libelfg0 libexiv2-9 libgmpxx4ldbl libmpc2 libppl-c2 libppl7 cpp exiv2 gcc
  adduser apt apt-transport-https apt-utils baobab base-files binutils busybox-initramfs
  busybox-static ca-certificates consolekit cpp-4.4 debianutils dmz-cursor-theme dnsmasq-base
  dpkg dvd+rw-tools ed fuse-utils gcc-4.4 gcc-4.4-base gcc-4.5-base gconf-defaults-service
  gconf2 gconf2-common gedit gedit-common geoip-database gir1.0-glib-2.0 gnome-about
  gnome-desktop-data gnome-dictionary gnome-media gnome-media-common gnome-screenshot
  gnome-search-tool gnome-system-log gnome-utils gnome-utils-common gnupg gpgv
  gtk2-engines-pixbuf hal hicolor-icon-theme hwdata ibus-pinyin ibus-pinyin-db-android
  ibus-qt4 ibus-table iproute iso-codes lftp libacl1 libao-common libao4 libatk1.0-0
  libatk1.0-data libboost-program-options1.42.0 libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc6 libc6-dev libcap2
  libck-connector0 libclutter-1.0-0 libcurl3 libcurl3-gnutls libdatrie1 libdb4.8 libdv4
  libedit2 libelf1 libfuse2 libgadu3 libgail-common libgail-gnome-module libgail18 libgcc1
  libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libgdict-1.0-6 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgeoip1 libgirepository1.0-1
  libgksu2-0 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnome-desktop-2-17 libgnome-media0 libgomp1
  libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libgudev-1.0-0
  libgweather-common libgweather1 libhal-storage1 libhal1 libhtml-parser-perl
  libhtml-tree-perl libibus-qt1 libimobiledevice1 libjpeg62 liblzma2 libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil
  libmono-addins0.2-cil libnewt0.52 liboobs-1-5 libopencc1 liborc-0.4-0 libpam-ck-connector
  libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpcre3 libperl5.10 libphonon4 libprotobuf6 libprotoc6
  libpython2.6 librarian0 librasqal2 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio libselinux1
  libslp1 libsmbclient libsndfile1 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1 libstdc++6 libtiff4
  libtotem-plparser17 libudev0 libunique-1.0-0 liburi-perl libusb-0.1-4 libvorbis0a
  libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 libwbclient0 libwww-perl libxmu6 libxmuu1 linux-libc-dev man-db
  mlocate mobile-broadband-provider-info mtr-tiny nano openssh-client oxygen-icon-theme perl
  perl-base perl-modules phonon phonon-backend-xine pkg-config pptp-linux protobuf-compiler
  psmisc python-cupshelpers python-gdbm python-httplib2 python-launchpadlib python-mako
  python-markupsafe python-newt python-pkg-resources python-protobuf python-support
  python-twisted-bin python-twisted-core python2.6 python2.6-minimal rarian-compat
  samba-common samba-common-bin sgml-base smbclient software-center ssh-askpass-gnome ssl-cert
  syslinux syslinux-common system-config-printer-common system-config-printer-gnome
  system-config-printer-udev tzdata ucf udev update-inetd usbutils w3m whiptail xdg-utils
  xz-utils

210 updated packages later... Everything still works fine.

So, I guess I'm not stupid yet... but that's what I'll be calling myself as I ride the bleeding edge and eventually break my OS a few times on the way to 11.04 final.

Anyone else find they have to do "stupid" things (i.e. tinker with perfectly fine software or hardware) to be happy?

What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?

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Marco C replied on Fri, Oct 15 2010 11:31 PM

That's what happens when you're a hardcore geek.  I experiment with so much stuff (smartphone OSes are my latest time-sink), that I almost ignore some bugs in favor of the experience of messing with the latest stuff.

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realneil replied on Sat, Oct 16 2010 10:05 AM

Marco C:
I experiment with so much stuff,...........

The only PC in the house that I don't constantly mess with is my wife's, and that's because she's threatened me harm if I do!

I have a list of 7 mods to do to the two Intel rigs this weekend. (swapping some RAM, installing a CPU water cooler, and others)

So I guess I'm guilty too.

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Yeah. I also have the 11.04 repos set up on my netbook, but not my desktop. The last few days I've been working a lot, but I have been looking into Android X86 to install on my netbook. I already know I am going to dislike it because kubuntu does WAAAAAAAAY more than it will, but I just wanna try it out.

: (  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24754588-Ubuntu-1104-to-remove-Synaptic Though I guess it's no big deal because I can just install it, but I use synaptic for everything.

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3vi1 replied on Tue, Oct 19 2010 6:05 PM

Well... at the very least I'm in good company.  :)  Cheers, guys!

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3vi1 replied on Tue, Oct 19 2010 6:16 PM

bob_on_the_cob:
: (  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r24754588-Ubuntu-1104-to-remove-Synaptic Though I guess it's no big deal because I can just install it, but I use synaptic for everything.

I think Kubuntu doesn't even include Synaptic by default (it's a GTK+ program), but I always install it manually.  Like you, I think it's one of the best package apps available, and I highly recommend it to everyone.

I have two batch files that I run on any newly installed Linux system.  If I do this, and restore my /home directory - my system and desktop are completely restored and up to date with the latest versions (I love not having the windows registry to fight with):

#installkeys - adds repo keys

#!/bin/sh

# VirtualBox
wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/sun_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add -
sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 54422A4B98AB5139

# Pylotro
sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com D210E847676F63E7

# Thilo
sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 80342AC117357C9A

# SevenMachines
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 61E46227

# Google
wget -q -O - https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | sudo apt-key add -

# Ekiga
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys A0F6A0EC3596ED6E

# Opera
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys F9A2F76A9D1A0061

# nvidia-ppau
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys CEC06767

# dropbox
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 5044912E 

# sdlmame4ubuntu
wget http://sdlmame4ubuntu.org/repoc/957AC3A6.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -

# xbmc
sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 0x6d975c4791e7ee5e

# Medibuntu
sudo wget --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/lucid.list && sudo apt-get --quiet update && sudo apt-get --yes --quiet --allow-unauthenticated install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get --quiet update

#installfavorites - installs all my favorite software and development tools

#!/bin/sh

sudo apt-get update && {

  sudo apt-get install amarok amsn ark audacity blender cheese cpp  ekiga-snapshot enigmail \
 firefox \
 flashplugin-installer gimp git-core git-gui gitk google-chrome-unstable  google-talkplugin \
 googleearth gtk-recordmydesktop inkscape istanbul kdelibs5-dev kget krdc krfc kstreamripper \
 kubuntu-restricted-extras libdvdcss2 libgsm1-dev libjasper-runtime libjasper1 libopenal-dev \
 libpulse-dev mesa-utils kdenlive linphone lm-sensors mplayer nautilus-dropbox \
 non-free-codecs nfs-common nscd nvidia-current openshot opera pavucontrol pylotro \
 qdvdauthor scons speedcrunch ssh synaptic ubuntu-restricted-extras virtualbox-3.2 vlc \
 w64codecs xbmc xvidcap yakuake zsync winbind

#  sudo apt-get build-dep wine

# Sometimes the previous line works, but in transitions I like to specify the packages manually:
  sudo apt-get install bison flex freeglut3-dev gcc-4.5 gcc-4.5-multilib \
 lib32asound2-dev libasound2-dev libaudiofile-dev libesd0-dev libaudio-dev \
 libcapi20-dev liblcms1-dev libcupsys2-dev libsane-dev libhal-dev libdbus-1-dev \
 libc6-dev libexpat1-dev libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6-dev libgcrypt11-dev \
 libglib2.0-dev libgpg-error-dev libice-dev libieee1284-3-dev libjpeg62-dev libldap2-dev \
 libltdl3-dev libmad0-dev libmng-dev libncurses5-dev libogg-dev libpng12-dev libqt3-mt-dev \
 libsm-dev libusb-dev libvorbis-dev libx11-dev libxcursor-dev libxext-dev libxft-dev \
 libxi-dev libxml2-dev libxmu-dev libxrandr-dev libxrender-dev libxslt1-dev libxt-dev \
 libxv-dev unixodbc-dev zlib1g-dev libxxf86dga-dev libxxf86vm-dev libjack-dev libicu-dev \
 libungif4-dev libssl-dev lib32ncurses5-dev lib32z1-dev libmpg123-dev \
 libv4l-dev libxcomposite-dev prelink lib32v4l-dev subversion libsdl1.2-dev \
 libsdl-ttf2.0-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-net1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev \
 libglew1.5-dev libsdl-gfx1.2-dev

}

 

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I should set up something like that. I honesty kind like setting everything up though. My Ubuntu install looks different every time because it gives me a chance to play with Compiz, screenlets, docks, and such.

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3vi1 replied on Sat, Oct 23 2010 5:45 PM

bob_on_the_cob:

I should set up something like that. I honesty kind like setting everything up though. My Ubuntu install looks different every time because it gives me a chance to play with Compiz, screenlets, docks, and such.

Every once in a while, I'll rename my /home/user directory and set all of those up fresh too - just to see what the new defaults look like.  I gotta agree with you... it's kind of fun, in a way.

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