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acarzt replied on Tue, Jul 13 2010 5:06 PM

The old Athlons really ripped those P4s apart, and for a lot less too!

I had a system with a Athlon XP 2500+, overclocked it to the 3200+ speeds and ran circles around much higher clocked P4s lol I sold that system to a friend, and it's still running today!

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realneil replied on Tue, Jul 13 2010 6:01 PM

I have a working MSI socket 939 board and a +3200 chip sitting on the shelf. I keep threatening to turn it into a Linux 'puter, but haven't done it yet.

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Optix replied on Fri, Jul 16 2010 9:26 AM

Something else to keep in mind about AMD is their backwards compatibility.  Being able to run an AM3 chip in an AM2+ socket along with older AM2 chips is a HUGE plus.  You can upgrade your chip to the best of the best while keeping your motherboard and memory.

Now that's an upgrade on the cheap.

You'd need a mighty big hammer, a lot of pixie dust and a horse shoe crammed somewhere in order to get a 775 chip to work in an 1156/1366 socket.

While I'm VERY happy with my i3 budget rig I probably could have saved a bit of money by going with AMD and been a bit more future proof as well by going with an AM3 board giving me the option of stepping up to Bulldozer when it launches.

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acarzt replied on Sat, Jul 17 2010 5:54 AM

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Something else to keep in mind about AMD is their backwards compatibility.  Being able to run an AM3 chip in an AM2+ socket along with older AM2 chips is a HUGE plus.  You can upgrade your chip to the best of the best while keeping your motherboard and memory.

Now that's an upgrade on the cheap.

You'd need a mighty big hammer, a lot of pixie dust and a horse shoe crammed somewhere in order to get a 775 chip to work in an 1156/1366 socket.

And that sir, is one of the drawback of placing the memory controller on the CPU. Since the 1366 and 1156 chips have different memory controllers... there is no way they could use the same motherboard chipset, even if the socket was the same. Intel chips have very specific memory controllers on their chips.

AMD has a very diverse memory controller on their chips, so as long as it has the right socket... the chipset does not matter so much.

Intel is not really concerned with cross platform compatibility. They're so huge they will sell you whatever they want.

Really tho, I prefer the seperation of platforms. It allows you to place each chip distinctly into a specific market category(mainstream, enthusiast, etc) and really go all out or hold back as necessary. Having a high end only segment allows you to really put a lot of features into a product and not worry so much about the price.

AMD is very wrapped up in ensuring compatibilty, and I fear this may be holding their chips back to some extent. How much extra R&D and space on the die does this take up to ensure everything works together like one big happy family?

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lonewolf replied on Sat, Jul 17 2010 10:40 PM

My 1st build was a 800Mghz AMD "Thunderbird" Pricewatch at the time I guess was out of 800 Mghz so they sent me a 900 Mghz T-Bird and I know for sure that old AMD "T-bird"  clock for clock would outrun a Pentium 3 hands down!!!!

Today I will give the nod to Intel but I will always have a special place in my heart for AMD being that was my 1st build.

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acarzt replied on Sat, Jul 17 2010 11:07 PM

I think we will all have a special place in our heart for AMD.

I still have a little place in my heart set aside for 3DFX, even tho they are long gone.

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realneil replied on Fri, Jul 30 2010 1:22 PM

acarzt:
I still have a little place in my heart set aside for

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acarzt replied on Fri, Jul 30 2010 4:48 PM

The Matrix was a good movie. :-P

If you meant Matrox, they still make stuff. They have not been absorbed by an other company yet :-P

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realneil replied on Fri, Jul 30 2010 7:26 PM

acarzt:
If you meant Matrox, they still make stuff.

Yeah,....OX!

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acarzt replied on Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:27 AM

I remember when they used to try and be competitive... then they jut kind of gave up and slipped into the shadows...

It would be nice to see a new face in the GPU market to mix things up get some nice competition going.

One of the reasons why I was really hoping for Larrabee to become a reality

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realneil replied on Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:00 PM

I think that the costs of research and development nailed them. It's hard to keep up in  their field.

I just built a Linux machine for my Nephew out of spare parts that I had laying around. The mainboard didn't have on-board video, so I had to 'beat the bushes' to find him some video. I found a Matrox Millennium 32MB card and tried it out. It was perfect for him and his 'check the e-mail' and go to 'myspace' daily.

In it's day it was a high end card. Now it's only just serviceable, but it still works!

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acarzt replied on Sat, Jul 31 2010 4:39 PM

lol how old is your nephew and has he tried playing any of the myspace games yet? lol

Is it able to play them?

I know my GF's laptop with integrated intel graphics screams to a hault lol

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realneil replied on Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:20 PM

acarzt:
how old is your nephew

35

 He's looking for ''communication'' (broads, his term, not mine) and such on MySpace. He could care less about games.

He likes the computer just the way it is and that's fine with me. Except for the $99.00 flat panel that he bought at WalMart, I built it all out of throwaway and used stuff that I had laying around. That's why I never throw stuff away.

 

 

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acarzt replied on Sun, Aug 1 2010 2:56 AM

lol yea... i've got a P4 rig laying around that would be goo to go with a PSU and a hard drive(probably) It would be on integrated graphics... but who cares? lol

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realneil replied on Sun, Aug 1 2010 11:49 AM

acarzt:
but who cares?

Build it and they will come,...........

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acarzt replied on Sun, Aug 1 2010 5:30 PM

lol... yea... I probably should fix it back up and give it to my sister for her kids to use. Ages 8-16 :-P

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If they don't have one to use now, then they'll dig it,...no matter how slow it may be.

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acarzt replied on Sun, Aug 1 2010 7:27 PM

Yea... but then when they break it they'll expect me to fix it or build them a new one lol

I guess then it would be time to start teaching them my trade lol

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acarzt:
Yea... but then when they break it they'll expect me to fix it or build them a new one

If it's something that they did, I usually make them wait a week or two, claiming that I'm busy. Then I fix it once. They usually take better care of it after that.

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acarzt replied on Sun, Aug 1 2010 11:35 PM

lol... yea my youngest nephews is always getting virus' on his computer.

I usually tell him too bad lol

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fat78 replied on Tue, Aug 3 2010 8:59 AM

man people who download garbage get so annoying after awhile. got a few friends who cant realize that if theres free downloadable copy of some popular game its probably a virus or people who use limewire.

 

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DWhite replied on Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:11 PM

AMD is open source friendly, while Intel/ NVIDIA is not. (This is regarding drivers to enhance the cards).

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rapid1 replied on Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:32 PM

Rofl charge them when they ask you to fix there computers maybe that will teach them something.

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rapid1 replied on Fri, Mar 25 2011 11:33 PM

Well Intel maybe not, but I know there are drivers for Nvidia you can get that are open source.

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DWhite replied on Sat, Mar 26 2011 1:49 PM

I am not so sure about that, a guy I know from System76 was testing out two cards from NVIDIA, and they had the same exact performance as a single card because there were no Open Source drivers.

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I know Nvidia has much better drivers for Lunix builds.

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AKwyn replied on Sun, Mar 27 2011 12:32 AM

How did this thread turn into AMD vs. NVIDIA.

Unless Intel has changed their name to NVIDIA in secret!

 

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rapid1 replied on Sun, Mar 27 2011 12:56 AM

LOL; well it was about drivers. Intel and AMD chip (CPU drivers are available from either) while with the GPU's that can somewhat be a different story although from what I know I thought both had Linux drivers for there GPU's that were included in most major Linux builds. So I am not sure, but that what the debate seemed to be over initially.

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DWhite replied on Sun, Mar 27 2011 1:27 AM

I thought Intel and NVIDIA were pretty much the same company. I know that AMD owns ATI now, so I am assuming what was ATI will now be going by AMD GPU's? because ATI is kinda dead...

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rapid1 replied on Sun, Mar 27 2011 1:43 AM

LOL; Intel and Nvidia are two desperate companies always have been, AMD bought ATI and just recently changed the name of the ATI GPU's to AMD GPU's about a month or two back. ATI is not dead it has been incorporated pretty much whole into AMD after they bought it. Probably a good thing as well as they (ATI) have helped them (AMD) keep afloat pretty well for the last couple of years now.

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realneil replied on Sun, Mar 27 2011 10:31 AM

rapid1:
Intel and Nvidia are two desperate companies always have been

Maybe you meant to say separate?

Safe to say that Intel is still the 800 pound Gorilla in the room folks. They spend more money for R&D, every year, than all the others make. While I'm rooting for AMD's continued existence and success, (without AMD in the picture, our prices would skyrocket) I can still recognize awesome technology when I see it. Intel consistently puts out the real deal and they deserve that thorny crown that they wear.

AMD may have a few surprises up their sleeves with bulldozer, and they're actively pinging the big boy on other fronts as well. I like the way it's playing out.


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rapid1 replied on Sun, Mar 27 2011 1:22 PM

Whoops you are completely correct realneil I did not mean desperate, but separate. I apologize, while as realneil says Intel is the 800 pound gorilla, I would liken them to Xerox and or IBM. I feel Xerox to be more correct, but IBM did also do a very large amount in inventing or upgrading our technologies we take for granted today. So does Intel, just as a side fact AMD was started as a partner to Intel in the development of processors, much like Verizon was started as a research leg of Ma Bell/At&t to later go solo.

I would be so bold as to say without Intel we would be nowhere near where we are now technology wise as a world. Yes others may have come up with ideas which were alike, but Intel has always been looking, developing, and furthering technology. It is there seeming only reason for existence. I do not lessen them by saying that for they are still even to this day in many cases the wise old man who is in the room of technology.

As for AMD yes they have often been (oh no he is starting another paraphrase) the young genius in the family who left home because his grandpa Intel told he he was unthinking, and so he is dead set on proving grandpa wrong. The upcoming Bulldozer APU developments, GPU usage methods etc are exciting, and may yet again raise themselves above  (or at least even to some extent) Grandpa Intel (IE: Athlon 64 and Athlon X2) , but that is to be seen. I believe AND who also now owns ATI works in different ways. They also have the added benefit of having both divisions as well as focuses which I think is a large advantage. Of course Intel has never ending side projects and focuses where AMD has only a few.

I love to watch it and we all benefit greatly from it in our love for technology. I again apologize for phrasing it as two desperate rather than two separate companies, and I bid you adieu.

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lornfate replied on Wed, Mar 30 2011 12:48 PM

I love Intel than AMD. It has serves me well for the past years...

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rapid1 replied on Wed, Mar 30 2011 2:25 PM

Yes AMD makes good components now, and the future looks bright, but it also has in the past. I think one of the biggest things right now is there APU's. They seem to be rolling out in a lot of things such as the new laptops that have been posted in the last few days with AMD processors are there new APU (CPU/GPU all in one) processors, They seem to be very functional as well as very energy conserving. They also supposedly work exceptionally well in HTPC units and I have seen them performing above and beyond both Intel and Nvidia HTPC's for less. This should be a big attraction in that platform of components. It also lessens Intel's amount's in laptop/netbook/UL units as well.

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James86 replied on Mon, Apr 4 2011 10:36 AM

I use AMD more because I'm cheap if I had the money i'd go intel all the way

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rapid1 replied on Mon, Apr 4 2011 10:56 AM

I use both on one PC I have an i7 on the other a phenom black 965. As far as it goes there is not much difference at all in there performance. The difference that there is which is minimal, but noticeable in some things I would say is memory and memory bus related (one is dual channel while one is triple channel). The difference I see is definitely not large. One of the systems is running Windows 7 64, while the other is running XP Pro as well (She is wary of changing and is comfortable with XP *shrug*). In gaming specifically I don't see much difference at all. One of the systems (the Win 7 one) also has a 64Gb OS SSD, which I would also say makes that system faster. Although it is really a minimal performance advantage on an SSD to SSD basis as it is not really current performance wise, it is faster noticeably in IO benches based largely on it, and the drive even though not current smokes a standard mechanical HD. That is one reason why I tell people to get one even if it is not the most current and expensive, just make sure it has TRIM support.

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Amd for Graphics

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Intel is best

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Intel is if you want the ULTIMATE performance and smoothest running pc for any task ie. editing, 3d programming, rendering ) while amd is less money for more cheaply made components , less advanced architecture and of course no hyper threading. 

Basically if you go with intel your spending extra $ for an all purpose, very reliable rig as for AMD your paying for a rig that can just get the job done at a much lower cost :D 

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