Toshiba Announces REGZA 3D HDTVs With 2D-To-3D Conversion - HotHardware
Toshiba Announces REGZA 3D HDTVs With 2D-To-3D Conversion

Toshiba Announces REGZA 3D HDTVs With 2D-To-3D Conversion

3D. It's impossible to avoid these days, and we get the feeling that those who try will be facing an uphill battle. Now that the format has cemented itself in the cinema, there's only one more major place to invade: your living room.

Almost every major TV maker has already either announced 3D HDTVs or plans to ship 3D HDTVs in the future, but thus far, Toshiba has remained on the outside. Now, the tables are turning. Reportedly, Toshiba will release 3D REGZA LCD TVs this summer, and unlike some of the others, there will be a special aspect to these. It's called 2D-3D conversion, and it will supposedly be used to transform typical 2D content into 3D content. We doubt it will look nearly as good as native 3D content, but a bit of added depth never hurt anyone.



Also, Toshiba will use the Cell Broadband Engine microprocessor, which will likely enable it to handle much more than just television. Web connectivity, apps, 2D-3D conversion, etc.--all of that could likely happen at the same time with a Cell in there. Currently, the TVs are expected to ship in the second half of this year, but pricing has not yet been announced, nor have exact screen sizes.
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2D to 3D conversion sounds pretty interesting. I feel like I have heard of something like this before....

I hope there is a review of a possible demo of this unit when it releases. Would love to see what happens if I do the 2D to 3D conversion on a 2D console game or movie. Maybe hook up a pc to this Toshiba TV and fire up Crysis? Big Smile

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>> We doubt it will look nearly as good as native 3D content

I'll see your doubt, and raise you one bold prediction that this technology is vaporware.

Picture this:  There were two people being shown on the screen from the waist up, one on the left, and one on the right, with high ambient lighting.  If one person's much bigger than the other, does this mean he's closer to the viewer or just bigger?  That's data that wasn't captured during the filming, and can't be accurately guessed by any post processing without human oversight.  At best, this TV would produce 2D paperdolls in front of backgrounds at inaccurate depths.

As a programmer, I tend to look at the desired results and work the problem back to the inputs.  In this case, all the inputs just don't exist (though you could maybe make educated guesses based upon lighting and shadows given known subjects and scenarios)

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I wonder when 3D will become a standard in television networks and shows. It would mean studios have to replace all their equipment with 3D cameras. And then the cable and satellite companies have to send different signals to accommodate for the different in picture. This is what this TV claims to do? I guess I'm having a hard time seeing that, but even if it does achieve it I doubt it will be true 3D like Ray said. I imagine that there will have to be some kind of distortion on the picture orientation to give the illusion of it being 3D.

I'd like to see a demo as well. You guys know my ideas on 3D TV's invading home living rooms. Right now I just feel like these companies are spitting out products that will soon go on clearance. When people buy a TV they really expect it to last at least 5-10 years before it has to be replaced. I guess when it comes down to it, is asking the question of whether or not you want your nightly news to "pop."

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Marius Malek:
I wonder when 3D will become a standard in television networks and shows.

If it follows the same rate of adoption as Color TV did.... nearly 20 years.

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Back in the late nineties Nvidia tried to come out with a card that did relatively the same concept. It would take a normal image and basically copy the image then shift it to a certain offset point while changing the depth. This was supposed to give the illusion of 3D. It basically gives you little shadows behind certain levels of color so things start to appear like the have some depth to them.

If they have perfected this technology then it would be interesting to see just how far it has come. The only question would be, do you really want to wear glasses to watch all your TV. I would say no! If they do it with the special screen, then they would probably need to start making the TVs a little deeper and more boxy than they are right now, because it would need some space to achieve the effect, which would totally mess up your viewing angle.

When they first teach you to draw, they always try and instill into you one thing. Draw 2D to 3D, that means that your lines should flow around and image to give the illusion that it is in a real three dimensional space. When you actually work in 3D programs, this gives you a better view of things actually being in 3D space. I think that this is relatively what you will get with these Toshiba TVs. Things may appear to move and shift like 3D, but they really aren't.

It is good to see Toshiba stepping up their game and following suit. I just hope they will finally give in and keep their prices the same as they are now when they come out with these. For me they could just leave out all the Internet stuff and the other gimmicks. Just give me a large beautiful screen, with maybe Blutooth for headphones and 3D as an extra perk :)

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Here's the problem I have with the 2D to 3D conversion process:

Is that a light behind Al Gore, or is he summoning a fire spirit?

You and I can't tell, so how could the software properly predict an accurate z-depth?  As I said before, I predict it will look like paper dolls.   They can read some frames ahead and try to distinguish actors from backgrounds, but that all falls to pieces once you have moving backgrounds and shots with nothing close in the foreground.

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Well, if you look at the lighting on the close side of his face you can tell its behind him.

But that's such a ridiculously complex thing to analyze digitally that I can't imagine it'll work well, although Nvidia does manage to upscale 2D games into 3D pretty well.

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This is a perfect example.  The conversion process would probably make that light pop out right in front, just because it separates the light variances from the center out.
 
It would also probably make that mic stand look just like a puppet stick in the back of his head.
 
Or maybe he is just trying to summon that global warming myth to try and make the heat come so he can justify his fees. maybe this is the illusion onstage that he used to get people to believe him in the first place.

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so does it change it into that red and blue stuff..... and then we have to wear glasses?

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Toshiba is no stranger when it comes to conversion. As you may recall, when Toshiba was still fighting Sony over the format wars between HD-DVD and Blu-ray, they looked to the alternative of upscaling DVD resolutions with their dvd players. Eventually, Toshiba caved into the format of Blu-ray.....

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