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Dell Defends PC Business, Calls Post PC Era Talk "Complete Nonsense"

Dell Defends PC Business, Calls Post PC Era Talk "Complete Nonsense"

Michael Dell is exactly what the Windows and Linux community need right now. It doesn't matter if you're not a fan of Dell computers, it's Mr. Dell's message that speaks to computer users far and wide. Consider that Apple is pushing hard into the mobile space with its iPad tablet devices, creating a sector that some analysts claim is cannibalizing the PC market. Smartphones are rocking dual-core processors (and soon quad-core chips), and the world's largest computer maker (HP) wants to sever its PC division, either as a spin-off or packaged with a bow and sold to the highest bidder. While all this is going on, Michael Dell comes out and squashes all the gloom and doom talk as complete and utter nonsense.

"There are a billion a half PCs n the world and while Gartner changes their estimate here and there, they also estimate there will be two billion PCs in the world by 2014. So when I took at that, I think the idea that the PC is no longer here is complete nonsense," Michael Dell told the Financial Times in an interview.


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Mr. Dell insists that tablets and smartphones aren't replacing PCs, and while HP considers going in a different direction, Dell has no such plans to follow suit. It doesn't matter that sales have slowed overall, it's just a matter of where to put the focus at any given time. And right now, Dell sees the most growth taking place in emerging markets, such as China, where Dell notes "around 60 percent of the Chinese Internet runs on Dell."

Dell is currently the second largest PC vendor in the world with a 12.9 percent share of the market. HP still holds the No. 1 spot with 18.1 percent, while Lenovo has vowed to leapfrog ahead of Dell by the end of the year.
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Dell is right. Go into any major Fortune 1000 company in the USA, and count the number of desktops (or laptops being used as desktops). Then count the number of tablets and smartphones that are being used *instead of* PCs. You'll find the latter number is a fraction of 1%.

Tablets and smartphones are not replacements for "real" PCs. they can be a useful adjunct, but there are always going to be tasks that require more CPU power than a small, portable unit, designed for long battery life, is suited for. *Productive* people want the power of a desktop or a good laptop. Bling-infested douchebags who are useless appendages on the company want tablets or smartphones *instead* of PCs, because you can't carry a high-end workstation to a restaurant and use it to impress the other useless drones with the size of your epeen.

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"I can agree that PC's will still keep on selling well, but the reality is , that Smart Phones and Tablets ARE replacing PC's. A lot people dont need the latest and fastest PC components to do the simple things they require, This is where tablets come in, Especially The Ipad.  Web Browsing, Email, Chat, Video conference, Picture sharing, Movies, Youtube, Social Networks and Gaming is all taken cared of , in a tablet, Pus you can take it anywhere in house and out."

"I hate when people comment such Bull*** about people who buy into an Ipad, saying there customers are sheep or idiots , for the simple reason that people like what they have, it works and its does the simple things they need on a higher level as opposed to having a desk top that has to stay where it is and consume way more power than it needs to do what they want."

"Also,the simplicity of touch and slide to get the apps you need to run, is a big plus for older people or someone new to Computer technology. It Just Works, and that's what attracted many millions of people to buy, and keep on buying tablets."

"Now, With Kal-el on the way, it only going to get worst for the traditional PC business as mobile devices become more capable of doing what it took a very expensive and powerful Desktop setup to do. Off course, Michael Dell Has to defend his Business because thats what made him rich, and Unfourtunitely his Mobile side hasn't really gotten off too good, Correct me if I'm wrong, but The only thing that they have cool on the Mobile side is some Win 7 Mobile Phones, but their tablets have sucked."

 

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Uh-huh, yeah...

First off let me just say that even though tablets and smart-phones are getting more and more powerful and starting to do some of the stuff desktops usually do; it will never fully replace the PC.

Why, because PC's can do stuff tablets/smartphones currently cannot. I mean can you create music on your tablet, can you edit photos on your tablet, can you create program code on your tablet, hell can you even do DirectX 11 on a tablet? The fact that PC's are still useful for some things means that Tablets/Smartphones will never displace it.

And really... Easy to use, slide and touch, did you forget that Apple started this whole thing. I mean if it wasn't for the iPad and the iPhone then we wouldn't have smartphones/tablets getting better and better and better. Sure, Tablets and Smartphones may be entering more homes but who do you think started the revolution?

Also the fact that you focus solely on a desktop PC just proves your bias. I mean haven't you heard of a Laptop PC, a thing that's portable and can do alot of the things a Desktop PC can do. I mean seriously, they are also portable and they are also careful with battery life. Sure, you may believe in some sort of a "higher level" but there is a reason why people are still buying laptop PC's. I mean if the tablet/smartphone could do all their work for them than we'd be seeing more tablets and less laptops wouldn't we?

The Kal-El thing; I'm not expecting it to diminish PC's but I am somewhat expecting it to get on more phones then the Terga processor. I mean NVIDIA itself has not had much success in the mobile market while it's competitors has. They're just trying 10x as hard to make a processor that has power, that is power efficient and that is sellable to the major manufacturers; and I really hope they do that because NVIDIA needs some badly infused luck in that sector.

The winning argument will always be "tablets and smartphones are easier to use therefore PC's are dying out" but people should take a deeper look into stuff... I mean really.

PC sales may be slowing down and tablet/smartphone sales are going up but in no way does this signify the death of the PC.

EDIT: Also the tablet market will never really take off unless people price their tablets accordingly. Again, those people talking about $99 tablets are sheep in the 3rd degree; I mean the iPad is a nice tablet and all and their support is good but really, do you want a controlled monopoly with Apple the sole provider of tablets?

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TaylorKarras:
I mean can you create music on your tablet,

"Yep, Check ."

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/03/ipad-apps-for-music-making-whats-coming-the-bigger-picture/

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/04/02/ipad-music-apps/

[View:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhH3AJ9kIXg:560:315]

TaylorKarras:
can you edit photos on your tablet,

"Yep, Check."

http://www.labnol.org/software/edit-photos-on-ipad/14299/

TaylorKarras:
can you create program code on your tablet

"Yep, Check."

http://www.icodeblog.com/2010/04/05/ipad-programming-tutorial-hello-world/

http://gizmodo.com/5814628/koder-for-ipad-nerds-rejoice-you-can-code-on-your-ipad

http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/12/code-editors-for-the-ipad.php

TaylorKarras:
hell can you even do DirectX 11 on a tablet?

"Yep, Check . Both from Nvidia's Kal El and AMD Z series"

TaylorKarras:
And really... Easy to use, slide and touch, did you forget that Apple started this whole thing. I mean if it wasn't for the iPad and the iPhone then we wouldn't have smartphones/tablets getting better and better and better. Sure, Tablets and Smartphones may be entering more homes but who do you think started the revolution?

"Apple"

TaylorKarras:
I mean if the tablet/smartphone could do all their work for them than we'd be seeing more tablets and less laptops wouldn't we?

http://hothardware.com/News/Boingo-Survey-Finds-Phones-And-Tablets-Trumping-Laptops-In-Airport-WiFi-Usage/

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A bit of updated news today with Dell staking a stand and leading the way and going to be able ship across China by rail to EU.

Dell to increase workforce at Chengdu office

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110921PD220.html

Dell is set to expand its workforce at its Chengdu base from 300 currently to 3,000 soon. Dell plans to have Chengdu serve as its second operating base.

Dell expects to use Chengdu's advantages in location to strengthen its services in western China and Europe, while the new railroad across Europe and China is expected to help Chengdu connect to Europe and other parts of the world."

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Wheatley:


TaylorKarras:
I mean can you create music on your tablet,


"Yep, Check ."

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/03/ipad-apps-for-music-making-whats-coming-the-bigger-picture/

http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/04/02/ipad-music-apps/



I was talking about FL Studio but whatever. Obviously there doesn't seem to be an iPad app that mimics FL Studio.

EDIT: But there does seem to be an android app that manages to be both free and manages to do some of the stuff that FL Studio does: http://uloops.net/umc/features.php

Wheatley:


TaylorKarras:
can you edit photos on your tablet,


"Yep, Check."

http://www.labnol.org/software/edit-photos-on-ipad/14299/



"Photoshop Express, the free version of Adobe Photoshop that lets make minor edits to your photographs, is now available on the iPad and it’s awesome!"

"Minor edits" do not count. Full versions of Photoshop and the GIMP do count.

Wheatley:


TaylorKarras:
can you create program code on your tablet


"Yep, Check."

http://www.icodeblog.com/2010/04/05/ipad-programming-tutorial-hello-world/

http://gizmodo.com/5814628/koder-for-ipad-nerds-rejoice-you-can-code-on-your-ipad

http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/12/code-editors-for-the-ipad.php



And run it? You can create program code but you can't debug the program nor make it for different platforms because on the tablet there's only one, Android/iPad.

Side note: Every app you seem to have listed is for the iPad; what, no Android apps? I mean the Kal-El chips are going to be on competing platforms, not the iPad; and most of those are going to be running Android... Well I understand; after all, most people would rather pay $1200 and sacrifice the ability to use Flash just to get an iPad.

Wheatley:


TaylorKarras:
hell can you even do DirectX 11 on a tablet?


"Yep, Check . Both from Nvidia's Kal El and AMD Z series"



Well you got me there, I mean the graphics have managed to catch up to what the PS Vita is offering but cannot compare to the raw power of PC games currently on the market today.

Wheatley:


TaylorKarras:
I mean if the tablet/smartphone could do all their work for them than we'd be seeing more tablets and less laptops wouldn't we?


http://hothardware.com/News/Boingo-Survey-Finds-Phones-And-Tablets-Trumping-Laptops-In-Airport-WiFi-Usage/



I actually noticed that link before and posted a comment, still doesn't mean that it won't fully replace PC's.

Again, while you did show me that tablets can do most of the things I asked; most of the things shown can't fully replicate the experience on a PC (FL Studio and Photoshop). And while this argument may be hard to make; what's certain right now is that Tablets feel like a toy rather than a professional experience; I mean the only thing that has come close to even replicating a computer has been a Motorola smartphone that you could plug in to a laptop-like device to turn it into a PC.

What I said before here; PC sales may be going down, tablet/smartphone sales may be going up but in no way does this signify the death of the PC (or the PC experience really.) There will always still be a need for a desktop like experience (even though the world is heading towards the App Store methodology.) and I think Apple's own recently released Mac OS X Lion proves it. (That, and the fact that they're still releasing MacBooks and Mac Pros despite what people are insisting to be the beginning of a Post PC world)

The only way Smartphones/tablets will really replace PC's is if they offered both worlds; you know, a tablet like experience for one and a PC like experience for the other. I mean just look at Motorola's solution, that one was the one that worked perfectly for what I had in mind.

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Good thing to cover PCs,tablets,Win phones.airport scenarios Direct X 11 etc ....

Windows 8 to tap heavily into Windows Live

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20110049-75/windows-8-to-tap-heavily-into-windows-live/

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TaylorKarras:
What I said before here; PC sales may be going down, tablet/smartphone sales may be going up but in no way does this signify the death of the PC (or the PC experience really.) There will always still be a need for a desktop like experience

Agreed 100% Taylor.

If PC Desktop development were to just stop, and desktops suddenly remained just as they are right now, I would still keep the ones I have now, and be using them every day. This is no matter what level Tablets rise to in functionality.

I have an iPad and I like it. It does a lot of cool things, but the screen size alone makes it a sloppy second to my desktop PC's. My home PC's have wicked fine sound systems connected to them, but the iPad needs to have headphones to sound good. I love the traditional PC interface, and all of the power that the desktops have.

The iPad is a novel and intriguing device. I'm now using it to store a lot of my best photos and videos on so I can show them to family when we get together. (this is my best use of it so far) I know that you can do lots more with them, but I'm trying to be honest here.

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TaylorKarras:
What I said before here; PC sales may be going down, tablet/smartphone sales may be going up but in no way does this signify the death of the PC (or the PC experience really.) There will always still be a need for a desktop like experience (even though the world is heading towards the App Store methodology.) and I think Apple's own recently released Mac OS X Lion proves it. (That, and the fact that they're still releasing MacBooks and Mac Pros despite what people are insisting to be the beginning of a Post PC world)

"Taylor, you seem to be overly emphasizing or focusing too much on the *death of the pc* aspect, when the main discussion is whether or not Mobile devices such as Smart Phones and Tablets are replacing the traditional Personal Computer( Desktop and Laptop). The answer is yes and its happening at a high pace but not at a level that will make the Desktop market obsolete any time soon."

"Take a look around a college campus and classes, you will see and start to see more students with tablet than laptops. Its easier to carry, better battery life and does the basic necessities of what a student needs to be more productive and get the work done, plus the incredible amount of productivity and educational Apps available is staggering. "

 'You talked about the App Store methodology, yes, downloadable media is taking over. The greater access, speeds and availability of broadband today and a less needs for optical media in a computer environment has paved the way for the form factor of the Personal Computer to evolve.  I like the Asus Eee Pad Transformer. I think thats the future of the Heavy Duty Multitasking Tablets , and it the right idea. Tablets will become more powerful as time goes by,  but I like the idea of a docking station that can expand the tablets processing capabilities, mostly the GPU. How about that when it docks in , there's a built in GPU like The Sony Vaio Z and the Light Peak external Graphics card that also has extra functionalities, and fusions with the tablets GPU like the AMD Llano platform . That way , you can connect it to a big monitor and game with higher details , also heavy duties task with GPU assist. "

TaylorKarras:
Side note: Every app you seem to have listed is for the iPad; what, no Android apps?

"Tim Cook offered me an Ipad 5, and wrote me a thank you note, So i'm keeping up with the Apple and Ipad propaganda. "

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It'll be more accurate to describe that these mobile devices are only taking over uses that the traditional computer was never really intended for in the first place.

People will of course use the solution that best fits how it is intended to be used.

Tablets are better at being used as note pads and reading books, versus a laptop, for example. However, there are things that are also better and easier to do on traditional computers and those will remain preferable to be done on traditional computers.

Having alternatives doesn't mean one necessarily takes over the other, just that one doesn't have to be used for everything anymore.

Right now we're just in a transitory phase where mobile devices are finding their niche and people are trying it for all sorts of things regardless of whether it's actually a good idea to do so or not. So until all that experimenting is over and done with people will question the roles of both the new mobile devices and traditional computers.

Overall, I think we'll probably see more of a merger down the road. Where mobile devices will either be an accessory/exension of the traditional computer and/or something to switch to when mobility is needed but both the hardware and OS will allow switching back to the traditional form factor when mobility isn't needed.

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JDiaz:

It'll be more accurate to describe that these mobile devices are only taking over uses that the traditional computer was never really intended for in the first place.

People will of course use the solution that best fits how it is intended to be used.

Tablets are better at being used as note pads and reading books, versus a laptop, for example. However, there are things that are also better and easier to do on traditional computers and those will remain preferable to be done on traditional computers.

Having alternatives doesn't mean one necessarily takes over the other, just that one doesn't have to be used for everything anymore.

Right now we're just in a transitory phase where mobile devices are finding their niche and people are trying it for all sorts of things regardless of whether it's actually a good idea to do so or not. So until all that experimenting is over and done with people will question the roles of both the new mobile devices and traditional computers.

Overall, I think we'll probably see more of a merger down the road. Where mobile devices will either be an accessory/exension of the traditional computer and/or something to switch to when mobility is needed but both the hardware and OS will allow switching back to the traditional form factor when mobility isn't needed.

I have to agree. I mean while other people have said that tablets can do everything and are getting more powerful, I do still think of it as an accessory/extension as I mentioned in other posts. Part of this having to do with the way the apps for tablets are made (especially iPad apps) and what the tablet can do at the moment. Hell, while they are somewhat more portable and do have better battery life, it lacks two things needed to elevate it from toy status; a built-in keyboard and some more serious backing.

We're seeing it in schools, we're seeing it in other places but I don't equate it much to it doing what they want to do and more (school people especially), I mean you can't write a report on it without having to lug around a keyboard and more tablets should build the keyboard in like ASUS. With a built-in keyboard, I think that the tablet has more of a chance of penetrating those areas a tablet can't reach, but even then I still don't think that a tablet will replace the traditional PC and the whole battery-life/weight thing is kinda diluted keeping in mind that these recent laptop PC's weigh almost the same and take up the same amount of battery power of tablets.

Also I agree with the traditional PC/tablet hybrid thing. Windows 8 does have some of that going on but only for x86 chips and not for the ARM chips. If someone manages to bring that to both interfaces then well, the merger that you predicted will become true.

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One word: Price. If PC's can remain inexpensive, then there will definitely always be a market in developing countries. We pay more for the same computing power because we are paying for convenience. For countries like India and China, the factor can't be about convenience, but about the greatest computing power for the least amount of dollars due to the discrepancy between our two countries as far as cost of living goes. Since China's standard of living in the main cities is roughly $3k per capita per year, why would they pay $600 for an iPad when they can get twice as much computing power for that same $600 with a PC?

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Lol PC's disappearing. That's just an apple fan-boy's dream. The PC market is huge. Kudos to Dell.

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I have to agree, PC's aren't gonna go anywhere. Tablets do have their place, but no way am I ever going to give up my full sized computers. I don't care how powerful handhelds get,....I like my 27" screens.

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I agree PCs will not be going anywhere anytime soon. The form factors may change here or there but the concept of having a computer will not change. I have used tablets and while they are fun and have their place they cannot do half the things my 4 year old PC can do.

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The desktop PC is not likely to be going any where anytime soon.and just like other have mentioned performance / price content creation.sure a lot of the Kal-El GPU performance will bring a whole more into to tablet arena for mobile gaming and certainly all -in to see that .But I have to give credit for Michael Dell standing up for the desktop..Take the stage get the media attention otherwise we have media fodder of dinosaur desktop headlines attempting to stir a 'buzz' of misrepresentation [in my opinion] or draw some attention or mis-direction of a missing phone. media spin cycle & complete nonsense

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